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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Oct 30, 2020.

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    The entire cosmos was paid in full . Nothing was missed by the atonement.
     
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    Believers are no longer under laws penalty, but are we lawless?
    Let me be clear.
    Which one of the ten commandments can we disobey?
     
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    but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
    Rom 5.12

    2 cor 5.19
    19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    Eph 2
    15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
    16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

    Col 2
    13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
    14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    How do we reconcile theses passages with how God seems to have dealt with the law and sin ?
     
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    If righteousness came by the law ? then sure if you want to try that route . Good luck with that. Remember if you break one your guilty of them all . Which one of the laws if you kept would make you righteous? Or is it through faith we are Justified . By the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified .
     
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    Can a unbeliever be justified by keeping the law ?
     
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    //Which one of the ten commandments can we disobey? // This sounds like one of those KGB questions " when did you stop beating your wife " ect .lol
    We could disobey everyone and still be glorified as a believer. As an unbeliever their sins are paid for though. God is not imputing their sins against them either .How can he ? He's paid for them . But if they refused to believe the truth so as to be saved ,they will not be glorified.
     
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    This is not correct.
    Jesus told the unbelievers in Jn8 theybvb would die in their Sins:Redface
     
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    Romans 6:1_3
     
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    Notice when he said it ? its like how some miss the things that are said in John 6 forgetting John 12.32 hasn't happened yet .John 8 and John 6 are before Jesus dies for the sin of the world .
     
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    No..not by our law keeping, but the law keeping of another.
    Christians are not lawless.
    Antinomianism is not a Christian position.
     
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    1¶What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

    Strange question to ask Paul isn't it ? That should be our response also if someone was confused to think the more they sinned the more Grace abounded . Silly isn't it ? Thats why we have to understand how salvation works and how we appropriate it . There are some strange doctrines out there .
     
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    Grace teaches to deny all ungodliness not law . This is why Lordship salvation is destructive and leads to defeat and hopelessness.
    Titus 2 . 11-13
     
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    I do not see any evidence in your posts that you have understanding of sin, law, Covenant, Mercy,in short...the gospel, salvation, a
    or sanctification.
    What you have is a confused dispensational framework, that even a biblical dispensationalist would reject.
     
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    You said we could break all the commandments and it would not make a difference to us??
    Is that what you intended to say? Or am I not understanding you post?
     
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    Thats just your opinion which you have not proved from the scriptures . You seem to be confused about before the law and after the law . Before the new testament and after ?
     
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    You do not understand Lordship salvation also.
    Could you clarify your first sentence here?
     
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    I'm saying if we break one then we are guilty of all . So are you saying that we can't be glorified if we break one commandmemt ( which is breaking them all )?
     
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    I have not given an opinion, but am asking you to answer some basic ideas.
    For example you have correctly stated that sin is a transgression of the law.
    Now what law was violated when God destroyed the world of the ungodly by the Flood?
     
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    Lordship salvation has no clue what is the right motivation for leading Godly lives . Its grace not law .
     
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    Irelavent as the flood is before the cross .
     
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