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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Sep 22, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Nope. am a Calvinist Baptist!
     
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    again, you are looking at their theology, I am more interested in the text that they used and quote from. According to Bruce Metzger, who was the hero of Wallace, he said:

    "Lucian influenced the form of the New Testament, and parts of the Old Testament which were used, and are still used, by millions who never heard of his name" (Chapters in the History of New Testament textual criticism, p.27).

    Metzger is referring to Lucian of Antioch, who was a friend of the heretic Arius, and enemy of the Holy Trinity, Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit! yet there are many versions that are used today, that are from his text as their basis!
     
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    so you are not member 37818? I was wondering because you seem to know this person very well, as you reply to my comments to him!
     
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    was just letting him know what tools I like to use!
     
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    That is why I do not see that God preserved foe us just one main text, say TR, as we need to examine and review all of the available ones to get a reconstruction of the Original texts!
     
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    Indeed, my argument exactly, as opposed to John of Japan, and the KJVO lot, and others, who are too narrow in their judgement, and therefore can accept readings that are not even part of the Inspired Scriptures.
     
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    BTW, you do not know.
    Most English speaking Christians rely on their English Bible translations. Is there even a single standard English translation that supports your convoluted interpertation of John 1:12-13?
     
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    oh ye of little faith! so hung up on "versions"! Anyhow, you asked for one English translation, and I give you one, where the singular reading has been rightly used! The Jerusalem Bible. I know it is Roman Catholic, but is still the Word of God in the greater majority of places. By the way, do you accept the reading for the Holy Trinity in 1 John 5:7?

    he gave power to become children of God,
    to all who believe in the name of him
    who was born not out of human stock
    or urge of the flesh
    or will of man
    but of God himself.
    The Word was made flesh,
    he lived among us,
    and we saw his glory,
    the glory that is his as the only Son of the Father,
    full of grace and truth.
     
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    No.
     
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    Eramus Himself did not see it as being part of the original text until His third edition though!
     
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    That translation is very free, made the Niv look like the Asv!
     
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    and yet the Greek grammar of the passage, proves beyond any doubt that, it has to be part of the text, otherwise there are grammatical errors in the Infallible, Inspired Word of God, which is impossible! On this Daniel Wallace is so very wrong
     
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    accurate though!
     
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    look at #52
     
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    The Greek καί, and, is typically a new thought.

    . . . But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    And the Word was made flesh,

    and dwelt among us,

    (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace

    and truth.
     
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    The will of God would be referring to the group described right before this phrase!
     
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    I was speaking about its value on the whole.
     
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    check your grammar, it is used mainly to "connect" words, clauses and sentences.
     
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