Featured Corporate and Individual Election for Salvation

No, the “chosen for salvation”, is from the beginning. The “through sanctification....faith...” refers to the method God has ordain to appropriate that salvation, not the “choosing” for salvation.

We can disagree.

peace to you

 

You specifically stated God did not chose Abraham for unknown reasons, but God had found him to be a “man of faith”.

That is clearly untrue, according to scripture. There is no evidence of the true worship of God in his family prior to God revealing Himself.

God chose Abraham, not because he was a “man of faith”, as you stated, but to further His plan for the redemption of His chosen or elect people.

That does not diminish that Abraham responded to this special revelation with faith, but it certainly demonstrates God did not chose Abraham because there was anything special about him, but by grace, mercy and to further His plan the of redemption.

peace to you

 

It is false to claim election for Gentiles in either circumstance of individual or corporate. Gentiles are never announced by God to be elect to anything. This would be the only way you could claim such a thing. You will never replace God's chosen people.
MB

 

I’m not sure I’m understanding your distinction. We are individually elected for salvation. Jesus said He calls His sheep by name. A specific call.

We are called upon by God to be a corporate people, binding ourselves to one another, by the Spirit, in service to God and the cause of Christ in the world as a Holy Priesthood.

I do not believe scripture teaches “election” is a general call and all who respond with faith become the elect of God.

peace to you

 

How is it that you were a sheep before you were saved.?
Unless you are a Jew you are not elect. The sheep follow Christ so unless you were following Christ before you were saved then you are not a sheep. Both the sheep and the elect are Jews only.
MB

 

Just because you put " condemned" in front of lose doesnt make it an equal analogy.

 

Van,
The question is this bible study? or an episode from the sci-fi channel?

There is no corporate election , so in reality, this is making it up as we go.

To deal with a group of people??? Who are these people? random strangers? No one in particular?
So God in this scenario has no one in mind?

God's purpose is concerning His church,the elect sheep.

Whoever wanders into the corporate sphere??? what corporate sphere? is it like the Bermuda triangle? Are their other "corporate" spheres? you say the corporate sphere of His Choice?

So people wander in, like a hunter setting a trap for a bear, they wander in to the sphere and get caught, then they become chosen?

The person causes their own election, God is a spectator???

 

Neither one of you is telling the true story of election. If you're not Jewish you're not elected. End of story
MB

 

It is not unBiblical. What is not biblical is what you present.
MB

 

Van,
The question is this bible study? or an episode from the sci-fi channel?

There is no corporate election , so in reality, this is making it up as we go.

To deal with a group of people??? Who are these people? random strangers? No one in particular?
So God in this scenario has no one in mind?

God's purpose is concerning His church,the elect sheep.

Whoever wanders into the corporate sphere???what corporate sphere? is it like the Bermuda triangle?

 

Is Israel elect or not? See Deuteronomy 7:6-8, 14:2, 26:17-19. Where does Scripture say that Old Testament believers are "in Christ"? Clearly New Testament saints are in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17) but your summary does not seem to account for God's choosing of pre-Christian believers such as those found in Hebrews 11.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. Many have answered you but you insist on posting error. I will not really answer you until you want answers.
You deny most of the heart of biblical soteriology.

 

All analogies fall short, ultimately.

The point is that God can elect a person to salvation before the foundation of the world, that election to salvation is certain, and that person is still under condemnation until their salvation is appropriated in time.

peace to you

 

And so we disagree.

peace to you

 

A plain reading of the text seems clear to me. The “choosing” stands with “from the beginning”. The “through the sanctification of Holy Spirit....faith” does not refer to the choosing but rather the appropriation of salvation.

And so we disagree.

peace to you

 

I understand the question, I think. You are asking how can God chose us individually to be an elect people of God, prior to creation, when scripture says there was a time when we were not a people of God? Is that your question?

The answer is this: The “choosing” is from God’s perspective, not ours. God exists outside of what we understand as chronological time. He sees everything at once, the end, the beginning and everything that happens between.

So, when God elects someone to salvation and puts that person among His people to worship Him forever in heaven, it is certain to happen (from our perspective) in time because it has already happened from Gods perspective; He has ordained it and made it a certain reality and has seen it happen.

It can happen in no other manner than what God has ordained.

peace to you