Texas talking about leaving the USA

That circular argument didn't take long to return.

Already addressed that question begging premise...

 

I find that generally those who argue for passivist ideologies the loudest are usually also the loudest when complaining that we didn't do enough when things go really wrong.

 

Neither "involved with" nor "participating in" must indicate an identification with politics or government that automatically supersedes being a servant of Christ, or else the heroes of old violated the principle of serving two masters, as they were literally serving the government while serving God.

Even the pledge of allegiance explicitly acknowledges the supremacy of God, though some wish to remove that explicit understanding. Removing it wouldn't change the understanding. Having to deny that higher allegiance to God would.

 

Perhaps we seem to be on two entirely different tracks because of this DNC vs GOP thing. In other words, we could agree in theory, but the practical is the kicker. I find it a bit humorous, as the governments the OT heroes served were steeped in idolatry, explicitly devoted to other gods. The US government is almost exclusively DNC-GOP, making anyone serving in its military subservient to both.

But leaving it at the individual level is what I've been arguing the entire time. It is a matter of conscience. We also agree that no one should surrender their allegiance to Christ or God.

As for that clever lawyerly dodge with the pledge and motto, I'm not the least bit surprised at its necessity. But one day, if certain ones ever have their way, will you argue the same when they demand a denial? Will it be merely a matter of denying "ceremonial deism" when God must be explicitly denied?

 

Sorry you feel horrible, but glad it's not COVID. We've pretty much talked this out. Appreciate the exchange. Get well soon, brother.

 

As I said, I don't believe you've supported your charge (ideology) with scripture but merely tried to with a poor interpretation and have resorted to question begging on a circular argument. One might easily make the case that you as a "Christian" have only "chosen" to observe those commands you like.

I find it ironic that so many seem to miss the premise that We the People ARE the authority in this country as per our God given rights of Liberty that this country was founded on, and to suggest that we should submit to some coup trying to abolish that authority and that somehow it is not Christian if We the People wouldn't willing surrender our last line of defense against such corruption is beyond the pale in my eyes.

 

If taking those rights away mean taking away religious freedoms that allow us to do our duty to obey God and spread His word? Absolutely.

 

You asked when the Bible says we have a right to disobey the Government. Are you saying (and I know you are not saying this) that if they tell us we cannot speak about Christianity that we must be silent?

 

To be honest, of late I have very little tolerance for the displays of "christian" passivism on such an important issue as faces our nation today and frankly doubt you'd be as passive if I were to step on your "christian" pacifist do-nothing opinions and were to call it out as I see it, but you have your priorities of where you pick your battles and I have mine! No, you'd be greatly offended at my opinion of that type of "christian" character being sinfully neglectful of Christian righteousness just as I might become quite offended at you questioning my standing based off your pacifist views, so I think it best we don't go down this road. Concerning the gravity of the situation that I believe this nation faces today and the seriousness of where it is likely to lead if good men do not stand up against it this leads to my view that you'd best get into the fight against tyranny or get out of the way! Would merely be a shame to see you get all riled up over something you claim to not be a part of, if you know what I mean.

 

Let's be clear. The stupid comments were from Allen West, the chair of the Republican Party of Texas. He doesn't speak for all Republicans in Texas, nor is he a member of state government. He's a native of Georgia who has previously represented Florida, and moved to Texas only a few years ago. He retired from the Army after he was disciplined for the torture of an Iraqi police officer.

As a native-born Texan, I am appalled and embarrassed by his seditious comments. Of course, he is backpedalling now that his words are having consequences.

 

The uniting force of our nation has always been our commitment to the Constitution and accepting diverse people from all over the world to make our nation strong.

Unfortunately, there are too many native-born Americans who think that "whiteness," fundamentalist Christianity, the English language, or civil religion is the glue that holds us together. A big clue to the depth of ignorance regarding the Constitution is that we currently have a President who has frequently claimed that Article II of the Constitution let's him do anything he wants. The fact that the current President's supporters haven't significantly challenged that blatant lie tells me that they either are completely ignorant of the Constitution, or they value one man over truth-telling AND the Constitution.