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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Dec 21, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Assemblies of God, which was interesting, as on pathway to becoming a baptist while being taught there!
     
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  2. JonC

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    The passages I provided were from the NT.

    In fact, one of the very last things the Bible says about Paul is that he was in Rome proclaiming the Kingdom of God.

    Is there a reason you find the gospel of the Kingdom of God (the gospel the Bible says Jesus proclaimed, the Apostles taught, and Paul preached) to be so difficult to accept?

    Maybe that would be a good place to start.

    Why do you believe Luke took the time to tell us the final thing about Paul's life and ministry as Paul in Rome preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of God?
     
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    maybe because there was a reformation based upon Justification itself?
     
  4. JonC

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    Are you being serious?

    The Reformation does not define the gospel.

    Scripture tells us that this gospel preached by Christ and the Apostles was the gospel of the Kingdom of God.

    That should be the end of the argument. Scripture - not the Reformation- is the authority for doctrine.
     
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    You know Iconoclast sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't, and on this I agree and I might add you have the prettiest and most colorful posts on the board... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Hello Brother,
    Glad we can agree as much as we do.
    I am a work in progress for sure,lol.
    Sometimes I do not even agree with myself:Sick
    I go with what I know until I can see some scriptural correction.
    I find most of that scriptural correction coming from the Puritans and Reformers who knew the word of God fairly well.
    Even they held to some teaching I find off a bit.
    I enjoy your posts as you have a grasp on the grace of God
    :Thumbsup
    ps...if my posts are in black and white they ate from my phone like now.
    Some do not like the colors but God created colors so I use them!
     
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    In Galatians 3 :8 the Covenant promises were spoken of as the gospel being preached to Abraham.
    Of course the cross work of the Lord is central in the Covenant Redemption, but you have correctly pointed out that it all falls under the Kingdom of God.
    Dispensational thought wrongly understood fragments the understanding of these matters.
     
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    Gal 3:8
     
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    A few things I would like you to share your thoughts.

    Luke 19:11,12 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

    How is that relative to the Kingdom of God? Is it that, kingdom of God, that requires flesh the need of being born from above? Is that, flesh, the flesh spoken of in Lev 17:11 Darby for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul. Is that the same, flesh and blood, he partook of? Heb 2:14 KJV Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Is that the flesh and blood that cannot inherit the kingdom of God? 1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Was the heir of all things: Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Changed in order to inherit the kingdom of God? When? Why did Paul preach the kingdom of God, the gospel, beginning with the death and resurrection? Why is the death and the rising out of the dead, no more to return to corruption, so important to the kingdom of God and to being born from above?

    John 16:7 KJV Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: (In death?) for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    Acts 2:32,33 “This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

    Romans 8
     
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    Is Gal 3:8 exactly about what I just posted to Jon?

    In thee shall all nations be blessed. Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Gal 3:2 YLT this only do I wish to learn from you -- by works of law the Spirit did ye receive, or by the hearing of faith?

    Makes me wonder what they heard about, by which they received the Spirit, rather than the means of how to receive.
     
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    yes....and continuing to Paul's conclusion in verse 29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
     
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    Yeah... I think that is one of the reasons In The Light left the board, it had something to do with his phone and your posts... Been trying to grasp the grace of God since I first joined and I grow more and more each day... Speaking of the Puritans just finished The Holy Spirit by John Owen and then started an OP "Can an unregenerate man repent?" but its finished now... A lot of them got it wrong... Oh well!...:rolleyes:... So goes the board... See you around Tony;)... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Your misunderstanding of Romans 5:10, is the we were unregenerate when Christ died, and therefore "enemies" but only when they "received" the reconciliation by being placed in Christ, were they reconciled. By the death does not mean at the time of His death, but rather the reconciliation whenever it happens to us during our lifetime, was accomplished by means of His death. Simple!

    Romans 5:11
    And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

    Thus they received the reconciliation during their lifetime, and prior to receiving the reconciliation they were not reconciled.
    Your view is obviously false. Why can you not see it?
     
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    I think that the meaning of the parable is linked to the reason Jesus offered the parable. His audience thought that the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

    A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. I believe this refers to Christ.

    He calls His servants and gives to them ten minas (I believe this could mean spiritual gifts or even a knowledge of the Truth, but I suspect it is more – it is a part of this kingdom the nobleman had ventured to the far country to receive.

    Some men worked in this kingdom (I’d say that they entered into the kingdom to an extent) for the Kingdom was within them (it is what the nobleman gave to t hem in the form of the ten minas). But others do nothing. They hold on to the “truth” of the kingdom.

    I believe that much of Christianity today is like the ones who have the ten minas and do nothing. They accept the “truth of the kingdom” but never participate in that kingdom. The focus is on doctrine (like the gospel being the doctrine of Justification) but never realize the fuller implications of what has been given (or what has been done).

    So I see the point of the parable as saying that the kingdom of God is here in one sense (and we are to be active in this kingdom) but it has not yet arrived in it’s fullest form (what has been given will grow, and in this sense the kingdom of God is being established as men are reconciled to God).
     
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    You not being true to the verse. See they were reconciled to God while being enemies, by Christs death Rom 5:10
     
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    We can't ignore the rest of the passage (that men are still unreconciled to God and the ministry of reconciliation continues through us).

    God was reconciling man (mankind, humanity) to Himself but there remains a ministry of reconciliation towards men (individuals) towards whom we appeal to be reconciled to God.

    The first makes the latter possible.
     
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    You did not understand. Everyone placed into Christ was not reconciled before being placed into Christ, thus enemies. My view is 100% true to all scripture. You view has people reconciled 2000 years ago yet receiving reconciliation later. It is nonsense, Sir.
     
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    Im not ignoring anything. Im emphasizing something in the verse which should not be overlooked. The verse plainly states they were reconciled[aorist past tense] while being[present tense] enemies, by the death of Gods Son. Now that cannot be down played.
     
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