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You adding things. The verse is speaking about what happened to people Christ died for. What does the verse say ? Where they reconciled or not while being enemies?

 

Sir, please address my comments. I answered with great clarity your question. Did I not say they were enemies when reconciled?

You, or more accurately the Calvinism you advocate, claims being "enemies" means unable to seek God or trust in Christ. Now that Sir is "adding."

To be an "enemy" of God simply means to be alienated and hostile, which is the result of being fallen and unregenerate. Thus when the fallen set their mind on fleshly desires, they are hostile to God and His desires. But the fallen can set their minds on some spiritual things, such as the milk of the gospel. The claim the fallen are unable to set their minds on some spiritual things is not found in scripture, but the fallen setting their minds some of the time on spiritual things is found throughout scripture. Recall the many that seek the narrow path that leads to life.

 

JonC seems to be echoing Wright here on the Kingdom, as that was how Wright was redefining Pauline Justification!

 

Refers to those those that would be saved by God, correct?

 

God did for them what they could not do while being lost sinners.

 

I just see the main theme of the NT being that the Messiah was born, died, and raised up against so that we can now be right with Holy God!

 

Your comments evade what Im talking about. Im specifically stating what is stated in Rom 5:10, that people Christ died for, were reconciled to God by that death, even while they were enemies. Either you accept that or not sir.

 

refers to His elect, correct?

 

He did something specific in Rom 5:10. What is it ?

 

Yes, His Sheep. Didnt He die specifically for His Sheep according to Jn 10 ?

 

Did I say everyone was reconciled by means of Christ's death? You bet.
Did I say everyone reconciled by means of Christ's death were enemies at the time of reconciliation? You bet

Sir, you are ignoring truth and posting falsehood. You have not addressed by comments or the scripture I have cited.

To be an "enemy" of God simply means to be alienated and hostile, which is the result of being fallen and unregenerate. Thus when the fallen set their mind on fleshly desires, they are hostile to God and His desires. But the fallen can set their minds on some spiritual things, such as the milk of the gospel. The claim the fallen are unable to set their minds on some spiritual things is not found in scripture, but the fallen setting their minds some of the time on spiritual things is found throughout scripture. Recall the many that seek the narrow path that leads to life. (Luke 13:24)

 

Yes, only for his own elect in Christ!

 

Justification in Romans was based upon individual salvation, not corporate Kingdom!

 

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Yeah but thats error, because some people while being enemies /unbelievers are condemned Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You cant be reconciled to God and under Gods condemnation at the same time. So those under condemnation, Christ could not have died for them.

 

That's the main theme of the Reformation...and it's an incredibly myopic, hyper-Westernized, humanistic (classical humanism...which is a good thing basically) and short-sighted view.
It's not the main theme of the N.T.
The main theme of the N.T. is at least as much the Gospel of the Kingdom as anything else.

John C. has an interesting point to make here with his O.P.
Problem with John C. is that he tends to derive his thinking from the text in lieu of Systematic Theology. Hence, he is usually not taken seriously enough.