A novel view on Old Earth Creationism

...said Judas when Mary anointed the feet of Jesus with ointment of spikenard.

 

For me, I have nothing to really prove OEC versus YEC. Just my experiences in geology. I also believe that there were other advanced civilizations here long before us. But then, that is only opinion.

 

The Tower of Babel was shortly after the flood. By 700 years after the flood, there was famine in the world and the whole world went to Egypt for food.

 

was Adam and Eve special creations of God, or the result of Homid evolution?

 

Did God create from nothing, or did He big bang? Is mankind a special creation, or was evolved to where he is at now?

 

Can be both.

Is both. Man is from Adam and Eve and Noah and his sons.

 

How is that?

Where did the something come from if not from God?

Man is not the beginning of creation.

Quantrill

 

God is Creator. John 1:3. Colossians 1:16-17.
All life and mankind from Adam and Noah goes through micro evolution.

 

Genesis 1:1 does not have a gap.

The 7th Day was a period of 1000 years. The Garden of Eden was created 1000 years after creation week. That is the only gap in time, no one accounts for in the last 7000 years of creation's existence. The Day of the Lord, God rested, life on earth multiplied without any death or decay. It was a perfect economy between plant life and animal life. The sons of God had full dominion and authority.

1000 years after creation Adam was separated just like Abraham was separated in Abraham's day for a particular task of living in and filling up God's temple on earth, the Garden of Eden. The only "old earth" was the sin infested time between Adam's disobedience and ejection from the Garden until the Flood, when even the sons of God became corrupted from sin and death and God destroyed them all.

Modern science is the result of Satan working for 2500 years starting with the Greeks. Of course the Greeks had stories of Satan's abyss under the earth. They were friends and recievers of Satan's knowledge that he fed to them. Follow Satan and you are following the mathematical virtual reality that Satan has created called modern science. This ancient universe is just a mathematical virtual figment of books and the human mind. That is the only way to reconcile science with God’s Word.

The Second Coming as described by Jesus:

29 “But immediately following the trouble of those times,

the sun will grow dark,
the moon will stop shining,
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers in heaven will be shaken.

30 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory.

Compared to John:

12 Then I watched as he broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, the sun turned black as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red.
13 The stars fell from heaven to earth just as a fig tree drops its figs when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.
15 Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb!
17 For the Great Day of their fury has come, and who can stand?”


A few things:

The stars are only angels and come to earth with the effect of a fig leave. No more literal stars, only angels. The universe will roll back like a scroll or curtain. No more literal 14 billion light year universe. All rolled up like a virtual projection screen, and forever gone in seconds.

The two lights in the sky from Genesis 1, will be dimmed or turn off. Not needed with the brightness of God's Glory lighting up the entire earth.

John adds information to the earthquake that even the mountains and continents will be moved out of their places. Back to the pre-flood condition. What science claims took millions of years, God will change within minutes, both in heaven above and on the earth below. This will be in preparation for one final 1000 year, Day with the Lord on earth. Between Genesis, Exodus, and Revelation, it is clearly shown this existence is bound by a definite period of 8000 years, giving us the boundary of the size of the earth, heaven, and under the earth in God's math of a fourth dimension. Our reality is then defined by the length, depth, and height of God's creation as shown in Genesis 1. These three finite and measurable distances would define the literal universe, except we only rely on the knowledge Satan has fed us gradually over the last 2500 years, per Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2.

 

You're being deceptive. Concerning the creation you said God can create from nothing or the big bang. post #(47). If He created from the big bang, then He didn't create from nothing. Which asks, what was there to go bang? And was it there before God?

Concerning the origin of creation, God created from nothing.

No, life and mankind from Adam goes through procreation. Not evolution. Being born of Adam is not evolution. Silly thought.

Quantrill

 

Are you really ignorant of the ex nihilo interpretation of Genesis 1:1 where the evidence for the big bang is taken as evidence for Genesis 1:1? Mission and Beliefs

Are you being silly? Are you really denying that life forms changed over time? It is called micro evolution. I am not affirming (macro) evolution.

 

(Gen. 1:1) doesn't need the big bang to support it. The big bang doesn't prove God created. God created from nothing. The big bang is science saying creation came from something.

Yes, I am denying any form of evolution. If 'microevolution' isn't evolution, then don't call it evolution.

Quantrill

 

Evolution (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
"Evolution may be defined as any net directional change or any cumulative change in the characteristics of organisms or populations over many generations—in other words, descent with modification… It explicitly includes the origin as well as the spread of alleles, variants, trait values, or character states. (Endler 1986: 5)"

 

Science means knowledge. And true science is God's word. Psalms 19:4, Romans 10:17.

You are wrong because there is micro change with all life. Even though it is never really macro it is called evolution.

 

It’s been so long since I tried to read Darwin, but I think that he meant evolution to mean new species evolved from old species.

 

Yes, that was the generalization Darwin made. The science does not support that macro evolution conclusion.

 

No, and science does not support deep time either although you cannot say that out-loud in Sunday School.

 

That is the only evolution there is. There is no other kind. That is the point.

 

"When I use the term 'evolution', I am referring to the idea that after the earth was formed it took millions of years to produce organic molecules and then many more millions of years of evolutionary processes and 'survival of the fittest' to produce people (the molecules-to-man theory)." (The Evolutionist of a Creationist, Jobe Martin, Biblical Discipleship Publishers, 1994, p.10)

Quantrill