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Featured Dake's Annotated Reference Bible

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by kathleenmariekg, Jan 27, 2021.

  1. kathleenmariekg

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    Soooo... Dake's Bible is pretty interesting.

    Has anyone been able to use this Bible as their primary Bible, without getting all hung up on issues that they don't agree with? Or does anyone agree with most or all of the notes?

    Pros:
    1. It comes in large print with a modern crisp font (my eyes are too weak for regular print and light text)
    2. It has a lot of notes, and the lists are interesting
    3. Concordance
    4. Greek and Hebrew
    Cons: I'll let other people have the fun of listing those

    Dispensations: The Dispensation of Grace starts in Matthew 3, which sounds more reformed than dispensational. Does anyone know of other Matthew 3 dispensationalists?

    As I have shared before, my life is pretty mobile, and I usually have to leave most of my books behind. I have learned that when flying, no matter how large a Bible I am holding in my arms, it usually is not counted towards either my "purse" or "carry on". Last time I flew, thanks to social distancing, I had the whole row to myself and used my Bible as a pillow. I know my time here is limited. I am considering the idea of attempting to use a Large print Dake as my travel Bible on the next hop.

    If you think the Dake Bible is horrible, what would you do with it if it were all you had for a couple months, besides a cell phone? Yeah, yeah, use it as firewood. LOL. But seriously. Unless you think it is so bad that it does not include the word of God so would be a sin to read it, what would you do with it?

    Imagine you were in solitary confinement at a prison and could only have a single Bible to "practice your religion" and had nothing else except the trash from your meal and your clothes and toiletries to amuse yourself. I have known people in this situation that read the Bible through multiple times, and wanted the biggest Bible possible. Would you choose a Dake over a Bible with no study notes or fewer study notes?

    How many people do you think consult a Dake Bible, but pretend they got the information elsewhere or thought it up themselves, rather than be transparent about where they got it?
     
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    I see Dake's annotations much in the same way as the convenience store that posts a sign saying the store is guarded three days a week by a guard armed with a shotgun. You guess which three."

    In other words, the Dake is a mixture of some truth and much error, but unless you have other sources to compare and verify against, you are awash in a sea of speculation.

    I would prefer most of the other annotated study Bibles to Dake any day.
     
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    With all of the issues with this Bible why WOULD you use it as a primary?
     
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    It is THE bible for word of Faith, and enough said!
     
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    That Bible is THE bible of the heretical word of faith movement, and as such, as many really bad notes!
     
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    Does anyone want to discuss this?
     
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    In most circles I doubt that happens. Dake is traditionally used in charismatic circles.
     
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    I will be happen to discuss Dakes and its faulty theology with you!
     
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    First, I am still trying to get the big picture of where Dake falls in the all of Christendom. I don't believe that Dake is only read by those that are admitting that they read Dake.

    I do want to eventually discuss details. I am curious about a lot of things, including those things beyond what people profess in public and what is in fashion.
     
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    dakes study notes are pretty much the very foundation those such as hagin and Copeland and the ilk built their ministries upon!
     
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    I am a newbie to this accusation. I went onto the websites of the people that are accused of using the Dake Bible and found nothing to support that. Even those men do not profess to use a Dake Bible.

    A lot of Dake Bibles are bought. Who is buying all these Bibles, if even the accused do not admit to using them?
     
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    Back in the old days when I used to frequent Bible book stores I would see the Dake's Reference Bible and think it looked very interesting. Money was tight, and I figured Dake was partly heretical, so I never got up the courage to spend my hard-earned wages on it.
    Do you have any evidence of that?
     
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    I don't know enough about the Dake Bible to discuss it with anyone, and most likely everyone on this discussion board has avoided it, just as they would a Jehova Witness Bible(NWT). The commentaries in it were compiled by Brother Dake, a pentecostal preacher, and for that reason, most Baptists would want to avoid it.

    There is enough online information discussing the pros and cons of the Dake Bible, if you care to access it. Likely, all that any of us know is just stuff that we heard about.

    The Dangers Of Finis Dake And The Dake Bible | The Dake Bible.

    The Dake Bible was popular in the Assemblies of God church, back in the 70s, when I was in it. I never owned one, but many church members were taken with it. I never saw anyone in the Church of God toting one, although they were pentecostal too. They were pretty much KJV only folk.
     
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    All the Dake Bible I saw were King James Version, but I take it from your comment that Finis Dake himself was not King James Only?
     
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    I have read all the easily accessible information on the Dake Bible, and it has left me with more questions and answered almost none of the questions that I started with. All I read is lots of rumors and shallow reviews.

    I cannot find anyone to discuss things like Dake starting the Dispensation of Grace at Matthew 3, and what that really means in interpreting the gospels, compared to starting the Dispensation at Act 2 or 13 or 28. Yes, his dispensational focus was end times, but he started with Matthew 3 for a reason, and Darby did too.

    I am growing more curious, not less. There is too much hate, with so little behind that hate. And people just keep saying, "He was Pentacostal". Yeah, and ... ?

    This guy was smart and hardworking and enjoyed some earthly rewards. Is some of the hate jealousy?

    I know I don't know. And the more I know, the less I think I know. This Bible and all the talk about it is like nothing I have encountered before.
     
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    All of Dake's work that I ever knew of was KJV. I didn't mean to imply that he adhered to something else.
     
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    Contact Us - Dake Bible .com

    Maybe the folks at this link will offer some explanation for you. The fact that someone is a pentecostal is not a problem for a good many of us, but the doctrinal difference would be a factor in a Baptist's rejection of pentecostal scriptural resources.
    I am not a Dake hater, and if I ever publish a Bible that includes my comments, my very name would probably be considered a cuss word on the Baptist Board. Not that I'm a heretic, but because there are people on this board who are so much smarter than me, and my best remarks would be construed as filthy rags.
     
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    I found a message board, but people are more interested in selling mint condition old 4 column Bibles, than discussing the Bible content and studying it. The grandchildren had the notes retyped and slightly editted and enlarged into a 3 column format.

    It is just that I have never heard of a commentary by a Pentecostal spoken of with such hate, and I have seen books written by conservative dispensationalist Pentecostals that are read by Baptists that do not even know the author is Pentecostal. Awhile back, I started a thread discussing that there is sometimes more deeper overlap between Baptist and Assembly of God than there is between Baptist and reformed. The gifts is frosting. Sure it is right there in our faces, but ... underneath that, there is far more that is the same.

    For so little to back it up, there is so much hate. And for so few people using the Bible, there are so many sales, even of used copies. This is weird. And I feel that it overlaps with some of the plagiarism and acceptable sources and citation stuff being discussed in other threads.

    A busy pastor can take a Dake list and immediately turn it into a quick sermon. If I lay out a Dake and a Bullinger Companion Bible, I often have enough lesson appropriate information in front of me that a sermon could be written with no other resources.

    I have learned to pay more attention to what is NOT said if I really want to understand some big truth. All the used Dake Bibles being sold for really high prices is like giant pink elephant turds, and no one admitting that they have a pink elephant, because pink elephants are Pentacostal you know. LOL.
     
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    Reviewed by Christianity Today in 1994:

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/c...-scholars-scrutinize-popular-dakes-bible.html

    • "controversial reference work was written entirely by Finis Dake, who gained notoriety in the 1930s as a flamboyant pastor, convicted of violating the Mann Act in connection with transporting a minor across state lines for immoral purposes. In prison, Dake reportedly began writing his biblical commentary. He died in 1987. But in recent years, the Bible, published by Dake’s descendants in Lawrenceville, Georgia, has come under fire from evangelical, Pentecostal, and African-American leaders who say that some of the author’s more than 35,000 commentary notes, taken from his 1949 book God’s Plan for Man, are racist, heretical, and contradictory."

    • "billed as 'the Pentecostal Study Bible', Dake’s has seen an upsurge in popularity in recent years, selling more than 30,000 copies in 1992, perhaps due to its embrace by leading Word-Faith teachers such as Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and Benny Hinn."

    • "Dake’s view promoting nine persons in the Trinity is heretical....Dake wrote in a note accompanying John 4:24 that God has bodily parts such as a heart, hands, mouth, and tongue, and he wears clothes, eats, and lives on a planet called Heaven."

    • "George Wood, newly appointed general secretary of the Assemblies of God, is quick to distance himself and his church from the Dake’s Bible. 'His opinions are in direct conflict with our statement of fundamental truth'."

    • "a bizarre collection of controversial revelations, such as Jonah literally dying inside the whale, the rejection of 'if it be thy will' prayers such as is found in Jesus’ Gethsemane prayer, angels ruling countless planets, resurrected saints giving birth to their own kind in heaven, germs closely allied with demons, the teaching that Adam and Eve flew back and forth from the moon, and Christians being immune from sickness."

    • "perhaps Dake’s most divisive precept can be found in notes on Acts 17:26, where he promotes racism—giving '30 reasons for segregation'. He states, in part, that all nations will remain segregated from one another in their own parts of heaven, will not be allowed to worship together, and that God wills all races to be as he made them, each reproducing after his own kind. 'Kind means type and color, or He would have kept them all alike to begin with', Dake writes."
     
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    LOL, I have already stumbled on these two, and this is SOOO out of context!

    The Jonah thing, at least where I read it, I think maybe in the NT when Jesus was talking about Jonah and coming back in 3 days, I think he said we do not know if Jonah was alive or not, and he said this in the midst of multiple dead people rising from the dead.

    Acts 17:26 sends the reader to a LONG article at the back of the Bible that is an exhaustive list of segregated things, many in Leviticus, including segregation of seeds and all sorts of stuff that I had never thought about together. He does this with lists. He groups by topic and makes exhaustive lists. Lists and more lists and even more lists. The guy was probably a bit autistic and liked making lists when he was anxious, and did not look ahead 60 years to know which lists would no longer be PC.

    This is all that comes up: articles that are quotes that are clearly out of context embedded in commentary that is untrue. The guy enjoys a little drama and makes over exhaustive lists and likes to flirt with ideas that might be possible. That would be better in a commentary than Bible notes: I agree. But the reviews are worse than anything that he is doing.

    I would love to read an article that was being fair, but have not found one yet. Like I said, articles are not comparing his theories with those of other Study Bibles. I do not have access to articles behind the paywalls: is there any responsible information back there where we poor people are forbidden to access?
     
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