the context in chapter 9 is God's preferring of Jacob over Esau, and nothing more than this. then comes along the reformed bunch, who see "electing to salvation" in every verse of the Bible!![]()
Thats because its everywhere in the Bible.
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the context in chapter 9 is God's preferring of Jacob over Esau, and nothing more than this. then comes along the reformed bunch, who see "electing to salvation" in every verse of the Bible!![]()
Typical response from a Reformed person who cannot really deal with the OP![]()
Response from someone who knows all that you do is kick against God and troll this site
Thats because its everywhere in the Bible.
You def hate Gods Word.
Which means I am pretty sure that you hate God
Response from someone who knows all that you do is kick against God and troll this site
A troll. Agree.
Prov 26:4-5
I Cor 11:16
Phil 2:14
I Tim 3:3
Titus 3:2
Why did God choose Jacob rather than Esau? When you read about the two, it seems that Esau is a nicer person. Why would God, in your terms, "prefer Jacob" rather than Esau? (Of course the text says "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated.")I am adding a couple of points to respond to comments that have been made. Firstly, I have been asked what it means to be a "child of God". the answer to this is very simple, if people care to read the passage from Romans that I have quoted in the OP. This passage shows God's preference for the line of Jacob, over that of of Easu. This passage shows clearly that it is the purpose of God to bless Jacob and his seed, and to curse that of Easu. There is NO mention anywhere, as the Reformed assume, about God "electing Jacob to salvation", as this is not in this passage. It is to show, that God's "choice" stands, in that "the older shall serve the younger". The Second point is to address the mention of verse 23 and 24, which again has been used to try to force its meaning to show "election to salvation", which it is NOT. Interesting is the fact that verse 22 is not quoted, as mentioned in the OP, which is, " What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction". Again I ask, WHY is God "enduring with much patience" with these, if, as suggested, they are the "non elect"? WHY even bother with those who are not "of God"? I have shown that the language of Paul in this verse, is what Peter writes in 2 Peter 3:9. This chapter, indeed, chapters 9-11 have been misused by those who are trying to force Scripture to support their theology, rather then let the Word speak for itself. These three chapters show God's dealing with the Jews and Gentiles, and how He has brought salvation to the Gentiles, and in doing so, to provoke the Jews, so that they too might be "grafted in". It has NOTHING to do with "election" as the Reformed take it to mean!
" That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." ( Romans 9:8 ).This is a much used passage by “reformed” theology, to try to prove “election to salvation”. In the first place, no where in this passage, is there any reference to “salvation”, as in saving of anyones soul. This has been forced into this passage by those who wish to promote their “theology”, which is not found here.
Child.show what this has got to do with the OP? Show from this entire chapter, any hint of "election to salvation"!
What is this chapter ( Romans 9 ) describing when it declares vessels of wrath fitted to destruction, and vessels of mercy, afore prepared unto glory, knowing that a vessel is indeed a person
Verily, I do not want them to; but is it not a fact that God has elected some?
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