Featured Are Human Beings Born Sinners?

This is what happens when you read things into Scripture that are not there. Now a member is backpedaling comments because of the rabbit hole error has taken him down.

Here is what we know. Babies are not sinless. The Bible is explicitly clear on that subject.

Are there arguments that children under a certain age go to Heaven? Yes. Can we be dogmatic about them? I don't think so. Personally, I do not have a position on the issue which might come as a shock to @SavedByGrace who assumed he knew what my position was/is.

All I have said in this thread is this:

1. The verses provided in the Op-Ed say nothing about children to a certain age being without sin. Nothing.
2. We do not know whether David's son went to Heaven and whether or not that was what David meant. The text does not say that so anything to suggest that is merely speculation.

It was my hope that the OP would have had the integrity to admit these two facts. Unfortunately, I was wrong.

 

It is fine to stand by your post. But to say that nothing has shown your position to be wrong is baffling to me. You repeatedly accuse others of being blinded by their theological positions but do not take that same litmus test to yourself.

You have yet to show how one can only commit sin if they know that it is sin. And you also have yet to show any integrity in the fact that we do not know that David was referring to Heaven with regard to his child.

 

Innocent of WHAT though? What is the context....

 

I said I don't have a position on the issue.

 

As do I.

But I've a question out of curiosity, SBG:
What does this actually say?

" What then? are we better [than they?] No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips:
14 whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness:
15 their feet [are] swift to shed blood:
16 destruction and misery [are] in their ways:
17 and the way of peace have they not known:
18 there is no fear of God before their eyes." ( Romans 3:10-18 ).

It paints a pretty bad picture of us as sinners, doesn't it?
Based on this, I know that God saved me from myself and from His own wrath, and I was so bad off I didn't even realize it until He told me.

That is the biggest reason I am so grateful for the gift of eternal life;
Because given where I was until He began His work in me ( Philippians 1:6 ), I would have been completely ignorant of how bad off I really was, and thought myself to be just fine without Him "bothering" me.

In fact, I would have never truly sought after Him for any other reason than perhaps a self-serving one.

The reason that I feel the way that I do?
Because I believe what is written, my friend...
And only what is written.


May God bless you in many ways.

 

the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness, on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters, and God saith, 'Let light be;' and light is. And God seeth the light, that good, and God separateth between the light and the darkness, and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one. Genesis 1:2-5

he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; First part of 1 John 3:8
What is Genesis 1:2-5 about? Is Gen 1:2-5 about God as light and darkness as the devil, Satan, as in the following verse? Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, to turn from darkness to light, and the authority of the Adversary (Satan) unto God, for their receiving forgiveness of sins, and a lot among those having been sanctified, by faith that is toward me.
Does the following verses contain the same thought? John 11:9,10 Jesus answered, 'Are there not twelve hours in the day? if any one may walk in the day, he doth not stumble, because the light of this world he doth see; and if any one may walk in the night, he stumbleth, because the light is not in him.' (lack of light is darkness) Consider the word, world, The foundation of the world? Consider the following verse.
because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places; Eph 6:12
When did that begin?
What was God going to do about darkness, Satan the devil? Foreordained before the foundation of the world.

The last part from 1 John 1:3:8
for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil; 1 John 3:8

How was the manifested Son of God going to break up, destroy, the works of the devil? What would it require? Would it require death to the manifested, Son of God? Where was, the death, going to come from? On day (a 24 hour period) six of the laying down of the foundation of the world God ended his creation which he had made by resting. Creation was done and at that moment in time I believe Romans 8:20 applied - for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope,

BTW being the substance of hope is faith, it must be faith that would bring forth the substance of hope, the promise of God who could not die,

The manifested Son of God's body has been laying in a tomb for about three days and three nights, and the soul of him has been in Hades for about three days and three nights; What else must take place for the breaking up (destruction) of the works of the devil?

Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death -- that is, the devil -- Hebrews 2:14

for we have known that the law is spiritual, and I am fleshly, sold by the sin; Romans 7:14

As to the OP*********
When God created man of flesh and told him do not eat of it, he was subjected to vanity, in hope. It was the plan of God beginning with the first man and those coming after him. Consider:

Lo, in iniquity I have been brought forth, And in sin doth my mother conceive me. Ps 51:5
Gal 3:22 but the Writing did shut up the whole under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ may be given to those believing.
John 3:7 'Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above;that those under law he may redeem, that the adoption of sons we may receive;
Gal 4:4-6 and when the fulness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come (born) of a woman, come (born) under law, that those under law (Thou shall not eat) he may redeem, that the adoption of sons we may receive; and because ye are sons, God did send forth the spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, 'Abba, Father!'

Hope- in the faith of Jesus Christ ------------------- The plan ordained before the foundation of the world.
1 Peter 1:18-21 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers (Beginning with Adam); But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope, be in God.

 

“before the boy knows how to refuse the evil”

Read it.
What does it say?

 

What does "knows how to refuse evil" mean to you?