Are Human Beings Born Sinners?

[atpollard]

This is the case with the son of David, which the Bible says went to heaven after his death

The Bible says no such thing. That is eisegesis.

The Bible says the baby died:

• [2 Samuel 12:19 NASB] 19 But when David saw that his servants were whispering together, David perceived that the child was dead; so David said to his servants, "Is the child dead?" And they said, "He is dead."

The Bible says that David refused to eat while the child was sick, but ate food after the child died:

• [2 Samuel 12:16-17 NASB] 16 David therefore inquired of God for the child; and David fasted and went and lay all night on the ground. 17 The elders of his household stood beside him in order to raise him up from the ground, but he was unwilling and would not eat food with them.
• [2 Samuel 12:20 NASB] 20 So David arose from the ground, washed, anointed [himself,] and changed his clothes; and he came into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he came to his own house, and when he requested, they set food before him and he ate.

The Bible says that David believed the child would not return from the dead to the living:

• [2 Samuel 12:22-23 NASB] 22 He said, "While the child was [still] alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, 'Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.' 23 "But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

The Bible says that David would join the dead child (in death):

• [2 Samuel 12:23 NASB] 23 "But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

Heaven as a destination for souls is not mentioned or discussed anywhere in this story. To invoke “heaven” is your personal eisegesis and to use that eisegesis to “prove” that children are born sinless (particularly given the circumstances surrounding the conception of this particular child) is to compound that eisegetical error.

 

[atpollard]

WHAT does the word "BEFORE" mean to you?

That the baby, born a sinner, has not yet learned “how to REFUSE EVIL” ... which comes when we are “born again”.

 

[atpollard]

All humans inherited a sinful nature from Adam and Eve. But surely they only become sinners after they actually commit a sin? The verses in the OP cannot be ignored

Does a newborn obey the Greatest Command?

[Mark 12:28-30 NASB] 28 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?" 29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'

If not, they they have violated the First Commandment and have committed a sin deserving of death under the Law.

By the time they are old enough to throw food and say “no”, they are guilty of anger (murder) and not honoring their parents ... both also punishable by death under the Law.

 

[Salty]

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