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Are Human Beings Born Sinners?

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Martin Marprelate

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SavedByGrace said:
Deuteronomy 1:39
And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

Isaiah 7:15-16
He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted.

Jonah 4:11
And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much cattle?”

Romans 9:11
though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad

These verses seem to show that humans are not born “sinners”, which I understand, of someone who actually “commits a sinful act”. Though, they do have their “natures” that are indeed sinful
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None of these verses show that infants are somehow born sinless. They show that they are born without actually having committed any sins, and have not acquired the knowledge of how to commit them.
 
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Martin Marprelate

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SavedByGrace said:
difference is, that Spurgeon's reasoning is pure conjecture, mine is from the Bible as in the OP. Show from these verses where I am in error
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I no longer get involved in long acrimonious discussions on this board; I have made my contribution and others may make of them what they will; but, briefly, I direct you first to Psalms 51:5 and then to Romans 3:23 and to Romans 5:12-23.
 
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SavedByGrace

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Martin Marprelate said:
I no longer get involved in long acrimonious discussions on this board; I have made my contribution and others may make of them what they will; but, briefly, I direct you first to Psalms 51:5 and then to Romans 3:23 and to Romans 5:12-23.
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so you believe that there are contradictions in the Bible?
 
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SavedByGrace

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Martin Marprelate said:
No.
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then the verses in the OP that clearly show that there is a time in the life of the infant, which is only known to God, that they are not "sinners", as they have not "committed" any sin. This is the case with the son of David, which the Bible says went to heaven after his death, where David joined him after his death. Verses like Romans 3:23 have no bearing on this, because this verse speaks of people who are "sinners", but those like David's son, are clearly not. There is no other way that David's son could be in heaven. The specualtion of Spurgeon, is no more than just that.
 
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Yeshua1

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SavedByGrace said:
sure, but no one who goes to "Abraham Bosom", does not end up in heaven? So, David's son when he died will be in heaven. This either means that he was "without sin", or that sinners get into heaven? If the former, then the 4 passages in the OP must mean that there is a time in each human beings life, known only to God, when they are not "sinners", as in having actually committed any sinful acts.
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That is where the OT saved went to after they died, but now straight to heaven after Jesus ascension!
 
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Yeshua1

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SavedByGrace said:
if young children, say, for the sake of argument, under 2, have not "done nothing wrong", then they are not actual "sinners", and when they die, will go to heaven.
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They will still be though found by God as guilty in Adam and sinners as due to the fall!
 
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Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
OK dude I am casting pearls before swine...
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First of all, no you are not. Second, it does not say that. That is what you have interpreted it to say, and I will also say so have many others, but you have to be at least honest enough to say that is not explicitly what it says and you are making an inference from the text based on your position.
 
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