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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 17, 2021.

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    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    I don't ignore them. They don't exist. That is not even close to what those Scriptures say. YOU need to explain Romans 3:23.

    But if you actually READ the verses you claim say kids do not sin, you will see that is not what they say in any way.
     
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    How is that forcing the Bible into his theology? Do explain?
     
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    you cannot understand English! "before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good"
     
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    My "theology" comes straight from reading God's word, just like yours.
    Respectfully, your conclusion differs from mine, even though all I do is take it straight off the pages;
    Like you do.
    I disagree, SBG.
    That is what I call the unbiblical teaching of "the age of accountability",
    which I see nowhere in God's word.
    I'm bound by what I see in His word, not by any "systematic theologies" SBG.
     
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    because it is very clear that David is to join his dead son in heaven after he died!
     
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    Explain how that translates into sinless.....
     
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    Is that what the text says?
     
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    you don't understand English! IF someone does not know about evil and good, this means that they CANNOT be a sinner!
     
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    Based on what?
     
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    @SavedByGrace for the record, you keep saying that @Dave G and myself are blinded by our theology on this issue. I am assuming that you mean Reformed Theology. Do you realize that a great number of Reformed believe David's son went to Heaven? So if you are going to attack us on this issue it cannot be because of our theology of soteriology.
     
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    You are completely within your right to reject any part of God's word that you wish, SBG.
    I'll believe what's written.

    In other words, I agree with God when He tells me that "there is none righteous, no not one".
     
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    My argument is on what basis was David's son saved if as you keep on presenting Romans 3.23 that he was a lost sinner who couldn't have repented and believed
     
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    I reject your twisting of the Bible not God's Word
     
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    Where does it say that David's son was saved?
     
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    It doesn't say that his son was saved.
    It simply says that he would go to him, but that his son would not return to David.

    If I may ask,
    Why is it that you're looking beyond that?
     
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    Many people disagree with me, SBG.
    But we all stand before the Lord, and He will judge between you and me and everyone else.

    That said,
    You are perfectly within your right to express your opinion, and I bear you no ill will despite our disagreements.:)
     
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    It could mean several things actually. It could mean Heaven. It could mean death. It could mean burial. But in no way can you definitively say it means Heaven because that is not what the text says. It is a one-off comment. You can't build a doctrine off of that.
     
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    you still don't get it? GO TO HIM, can ONLY mean that David will meet with him some day. No one "meets" anyone in the grave, or in "death", unless you follow the teachings of some strange cults! The passage is very simple. David's son died, David celebrates this event with a feast, when questioned about this, David says, that his son cannot return to him after death, but he WILL be going to be with him, after his death! This can ONLY mean heaven. If you still cannot grasp this, I suggest to see the Holy Spirit's help in understanding.

    My question is, as there are no sinners in heaven, and David's son was far too young to "repent and believe", the only other option is, as shown in the verses in the OP, that there is a time in infants, of "innocence", where they have not actually committed any sins!
     
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