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Featured Are Human Beings Born Sinners?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 17, 2021.

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    If kids cannot understand and speak until they are six there is something mentally/developmentally wrong with them.
     
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    6 months I mean
     
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    How is your view not Pelagian? Do babies have a sinful nature in your view? Psalms 58:3?
     
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    Even still. Answer this ONE thing directly.

    You seem to think that if someone does not know the difference between good/evil it means they cannot be sinning even if they do something wrong. Is that correct?

    If I have read that correctly, please respond to the following:

    Since Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of Good and Evil, how were they able to sin in the Garden?
     
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    My question is why does the Bible actually specify in the verses I mentioned in the OP about not knowing about right and wrong if they mean nothing?
     
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    So a baby of a day old speaks lies literally? Or is this verse language not to be seen literally
     
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    Adam and Eve like all humans had a sinful nature. Which enabled them to sin
     
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    Well let's look at that. First, the Deuteronomy passage was for a very specific people for a very specific purpose and regarding a specific sin. The children were not punished for the sin of the parents. So it really has no actually applicability to the overall topic.

    In Isaiah, it is literally just showing about a young boy before he reaches an age of understanding something will happen. That has nothing to do with whether or not a child of that age can commit sin.

    The passage in Jonah, again, literally has nothing to do with whether or not someone can commit sin.

    The Romans passage is about the unborn and therefore irrelevant.

    Now, you have avoided my question about Adam and Eve about 10 times at this point. Why can't you answer that simple question?
     
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    They had a sinful nature before their sin? Really? Before they knew good and evil? Are you sure? So before they sinned they were separated from God? No sir. You are not getting any of this from Scripture and now are in panic mode trying to say anything to help you because your point has crumbled by the truth.
     
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    If they didn't have natures that could sin then how could they have sinned
     
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    So they were already condemned from the start? Is that what you are saying? Almost as if it were ordained that they would sin?
     
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    Are you saying that God will not view their acts as sins then ?
     
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    They had sinless natures though UNTIL they sinned, not like any of us here!
     
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    Ask Lucifier that!
     
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    That sounds very high calvinist there!
     
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    how was the devil able to tempt a perfect sinless nature, and cause them to fall? There must have been something in Adam and Eve before the "fall", that caused them to rebel against God. I don't have the answer here, but these are my thoughts?
     
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    The sinned same reason satan fell, both decided that they wanted to "play God"
     
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    So is God the author of sin?
     
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    Sinful natures do not mean that they were "sinners" already, but that they could, and did sin against God. How it was done is not mentioned in the Bible. It is rather strange that the devil, a created being, was able to cause a perfect, sinless human to sin against the God of the Bible? This indeed is a mystery to me!
     
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    Aren't you a champion of free will? Equal choice between two choices?
     
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