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Featured Are Human Beings Born Sinners?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 17, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    No, he would have seen it as being Sheol!
     
    #181 Yeshua1, Feb 18, 2021
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    Even though no known sinning, still were judged!
     
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    As things stand, it is very clear from the account of David and his son, and the 4 verses in the OP, that ALL human beings are born with sinful natures, that have the ability to commit sinful acts. It is only when an act of sin has been committed, that a person is a sinner. Otherwise these verses are pointless in what the say!

    Romans 9:11
    though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad

    this verse says that unborn babies are not "sinners", as they "HAD DONE", nothing good or bad.

    Isaiah 7:15-16
    He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted.

    This verse says that there is a time that an infant KNOWS about evil and good, so as to make the difference and CHOOSE!
     
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    sound good, but again, with ZERO Bible support! I have given Bible passages in my OP, and so far all that has happened, is arguments from theology that are supposed to show that the Bible got it wrong!
     
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    A child tells a "white lie", is that sinning against the Moral law of God?
     
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    ALL have sinned in Adam, and fallen short of the glory of God!
     
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    so, neither David or his son will be in heaven? If they both are, then HOW did the son, as a "sinner" as you put it, get into heaven???
     
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    how many children under 6 months do you know who tell "white lies"? or any colour?
     
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    babies are NOT innocent and sin free and guiltless!
     
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    Very same way as you and I will, its called saving grace!
     
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    problem is, I write, then you read, and fail to grasp the deeper stuff! need to learn more! You STILL cannot answer the account of David and his son, when you are able to, I believe you will grasp the OP!
     
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    How many when toddlers asked did they break it, and say brother did>
     
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    back to David's son...did this child as a "sinner" make it to heaven without "repenting and believing"?
     
    #193 SavedByGrace, Feb 18, 2021
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    Yes, due to God choosing to apply saving grace!
     
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    :Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao

    you know kids under 6 who can understand and SPEAK??? WHAT are you on!!!
     
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    Bible verse, PLEASE!!!
     
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    Thanks to everyone for taking the time to share in this very important discussion.
     
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    Since all are born sinners, only way they can get to heaven would be by saving grace!
     
    #198 Yeshua1, Feb 18, 2021
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    Doubtful but that is not the point. We do not know that he was referring to Heaven either. He could possibly have just been referring to death in general.
     
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    I have answered the account of David and his son. You are building a whole doctrine off of a statement by a Father who just lost his son and adding in words that are not actually found in the verse.
     
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