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Easter in Tyndale's Bible Before KJV

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  1. Hark

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    Although we have no source directly from the KJV translator as to why they had switched it back to Easter in the KJV when the 1599 Geneva Bible had it as Passover.

    And there were some skepticism that a prelate or prelates were the ones that had switched it back, but the sources were commenting on KJV translators supposedly without any source from the KJV translators themselves to confirm this It seems believable to me because politics would explain how this rendering got past over 50 translators that were divided into 8 groups, each checking their own work & then passing it to others to check the other group's work as being done after they were all done.

    But yet it could be because of Passover is before the DUB in Acts 12:4 even though we have no confirmation directly from the KJV translators that was why they did it.

    Thank you for sharing.:)
     
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    Luke 22:1Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. KJV

    This is why many incorporate the 7 days of the unleavened bread with the first day of the Passover as you stated that there are 8 days of unleavened bread for why Luke refer to the first day of Passover as also the first day of unleavened bread.

    One can surmised that is why they called the 7 days of unleavened bread also as Passover even though only on the Passover day is the lamb to be sacrifice, cooked, and eaten on that day with the unleavened bread whereas the 7 days of the unleavened bread, the lamb offering is not to be eaten but just the unleavened bread.

    One can assume clarification was needed for understanding Acts 12:4 as not meaning the actual Passover day itself for why Easter is used once again in the KJV when the 1599 Genevan Bible had it as Passover, but we will never know for sure other than it is not wrong to use Easter in Acts 12:4 just because today's society dropped how they used Easter back in the KJV Bible and more importantly, back in Tyndale's English Bible & Martin Luther's German Bible for why the people, not even the Puritans, of KJV times did not make an uproar about it then..
     
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    The Holy Spirit can do ANYTHING, as He is God.
    We don't know how the Personages of the Godhead communicate among themselves. We don't know how He communicates with angels. I believe He created speech through sound waves for humans, as God can communicate with anyone instantly & soundlessly.
    Now, I don't know you plan to go on with this silliness, but it does nothing to sustain your KJVO myth.



    Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in His own place as Teacher.



    Several pentecostal branches & "holiness" is particularly bad about it.

    Same ole nonsense. We don't know what the Holy Spirit's groanings consist of. You're not helping your false KJVO myth one bit.



    You're so obsessed & in thrall to the Satanic KJVO myth that you keep repeating something that was clearly explained earlier, and was actually explained years ago. You KJVOs are so desperate to try to find something...ANYTHING...to try to lend a little truth to your completely-false KJVO myth.

    You cannot present any argument in favor of that myth that I haven't seen before & either refuted myself or saw it refuted by others. There's not a quark of truth in the KJVO myth.

    "THE KJVO MYTH-PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE !"
     
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    Once again, no one would've thought twice about Easter in the KJV had it been used CONSISTENTLY for pascha; it would simply be chalked up as an archaism. But that ONE TIME,with no reason to have done so, is certainly al attention-getter & is someone's GOOF.
     
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    Jesus told us how.

    John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. KJV

    In all Bible versions, the Holy Spirit does not speak on His own authority, or initiative, and the NIV understood that to mean He can only speak what He hears.

    John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV

    Compare what other bible versions are saying what John 16:13 means.

    John 16:13
    The Spirit of truth will come and guide you in all truth. He will not speak His own words to you; He will speak what He hears, revealing to you the things to come .. The Voice

    John 16:13
    When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. ESV

    John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. ASV

    So the Holy Spirit cannot speak from Himself but speak what He hears as the words are not His own words but from Christ Jesus as we read on in the KJV.


    John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. KJV

    That which the Holy Spirit gives to us, comes from Jesus Christ. All that the Holy Spirit does, the Holy Spirit gives that credit & glory to the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    The fruits of the Spirit aka the fruits of righteousness comes from Jesus Christ as Jesus Christ is the One that will finish His work in us to the glory of God the Father.

    Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:....11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. KJV

    So whenever scripture testify to the Spirit speaking, it is under the understanding of how Jesus said He will speak in the first place as not from Himself as if they are His own words but speaking the words from Christ as all that He does is per Jesus Christ as the Head of the body & our Good Shepherd & Bridegroom to the glory of God the Father.
     
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    If you recognize it as archaic as fallen out of use for today but not back then, for you to call it a goof is your goof.
     
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    It is important to notice in the timeline that the original Geneva Bible was published in 1560, and already had Passover then. The 1568 Bishops Bible, which the KJV translators were to use as their primary guide, had Easter in Acts 12:4 (but also John 11:55).
    He's just back to his old tricks. Can't help himself.
     
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    The BIGGEST goof is to continue to use only a 400-yr-old translation. God has updated His word into TODAY'S language, just as He's done in the past.
     
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    Thank you for sharing.

    Which goes to show that we should pray for him and others too.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

    1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

    Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
     
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    Hark,

    As for Luke 22:1, this verse says DUB was approaching, then in 22:7 the day of DUB came.
    These don't specify the day clearly, but verse 7 coincides with Mt 26:17 which says Te Prote

    Τῇ δὲ πρώτῃ τῶν ἀζύμων προσῆλθον οἱ μαθηταὶ τῷ Ἰησοῦ λέγοντες αὐτῷ Ποῦ θέλεις ἑτοιμάσωμέν σοι φαγεῖν τὸ πάσχα

    τη δε πρωτη is the Dative Form of the Protos πρωτοσ.
    This prote, protos means 2 days before the DUB, because Jews couldn't perfectly hurry up
    the hiding of the Leavens before the DUB. Therefore 2 days before DUB are the days of preparation hiding the Leavens. One day is the Passover and therefore it doesn't have to be mentioned as the Prote, but one day before Passover was called Prote or Protos.
    Then we can solve the puzzle. On the Protos, one day before Passover, Disciples prepared
    the Last Supper, and when the evening came, it was the evening of Passover and they had the supper. Lord Jesus was arrested in that night and in the morning He was sentenced to death, on the same day by Jewish Calendar, which was Passover. The Passover Lamb was slaughtered in the afternoon of the same day as Jesus was hung on the Cross, around the time when Jesus cried " Tetelestai"

    So, Passover is not always used to represent the whole Feast period of DUB.
    Rather, as we see in Luke 22:1, 7, Mt 26:17, DUB was used often to represent the whole Feast of DUB and Passover.
    Strangely, in Acts 12:4, it was already DUB in the previous verse, but it mentioned the delay of Execution after Pascha. This Pascha must be after previously mentioned DUB.
    Even this year the Passover is 27th March, then DUB ends on April 3 (Some people claim it is by 4th April), the next day is Easter April 4th.
    2021 Feast Dates - The Messianic Light
    So, the Easter is often around the end of DUB or right after DUB.
    Now, let's imagine that Peter is arrested on the 31st March and it is already in the middle of DUB and the government say they are going to execute him after the Pascha?
    Would you imagine that the execution will take place after the Passover? or after the Easter?
    If it meant the after the end of DUB, it would have mentioned after the Days of Unleavened Bread because it was already mentioned in the previous verse.
    But as we understand Pagan Festival is everywhere in the world and they celebrate Easter as if it is the Resurrection Day of Jesus. Likewise, even at the time of Acts 12:4, Ishtar Festival was everywhere in the Middle East and it was almost mixed with DUB or meant the end of DUB, then wouldn't it be called as Pascha because Assyrians called it Pasahu, Chaldeans called it Pischa, etc?

    As we can read thru the facts that Tyndale translated Pascha into Ester, throughout the ages and centuries, the paganism surrounding Easter, Ishtar, Astarte, Asherah Artemis have been overwhelming in the spring festivals.

    I would rather presume KJV translators dug into quite deep on this matter.

    Thanks

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    Hark,


    Pascha appears 29 times in 27 verses.( Mark 14:12 and John 11:55 have it twice)

    KJV translators translated it into Passover 28 times but into Easter only in Acts 12:4

    Did they make mistakes in Acts 12:4 while they were inerrant in other verses? Hardly!

    They rendered it into Easter because they found some contradiction there.

    Indeed, Passover can represent the Feast of DUB and DUB can Passover as well.

    However, everyone knows, if we go into detail and more specifically, Passover precedes Days of Unleavened Bread.

    When KJV translators notice both DUB and Passover in 2 connecting verses, they must have found the difficulty to translate

    the later one first and the first one after the later festival.


    This year we have the Passover on March 27, and Days of Unleavened Bread end on April 3.

    Passover: March 27, DUB: Mar 28-Apr 3, Easter: April 4, 2021


    Assuming Peter is arrested on the first April which is already DUB, Government intends to execute Peter after Passover?

    Imagine Festival Ishtar, Easter was celebrated all over Middle East as Easter is celebrated all over the world today, while DUB is not so much popular among the people today.

    If Pascha means both Passover and Easter, and it was already during DUB, the day after the Pascha( Passover) means after Passover?

    What about after Easter, the pagan festival which comes at the end of DUB or right after the DUB?

    The main point is that people would have not noticed or have skipped the problem of contradiction if KJV had translated it into Passover.


    In conclusion, apparently there is a certain contradiction in the sequence of the feasts in Acts 12:3-4 if we go into detail precisely.

    We’d better avoid the conclusion that KJV translators simply made the mistakes because there is an apparent problem with the contradiction.

    Even if Passover can represent the whole period of DUB feast, there is a danger ignoring the then current practice of the paganism, the Festival of Ishtar, Easter which usually comes at the end of DUB.

    On the final day, God may clearly explain us the True meaning of it.


    Eliyahu
     
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    Salty, in spite of your above post, it appears this thread did not get closed. You might want to take a look at that.

    I noticed that because I came here to add the following information.

    The English-to-Latin dictionary Promptorium Parvulorum Sive Clericorum first appeared circa 1440, and is attributed to Geoffrey the Grammarian, a friar who lived in Norfolk, England. In the 1865 printing at Archive.org (p. 143), we find Eesterne (Easter) means Pascha.
     
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