The Supposed Errors in the KJV

The Greek Grammar plainly teaches One Person in view, but Kjv has 2 in mind here!

 

I wonder if any Jews were on the life-raft with Eddie Rickenbacker when, after praying for a miracle, and lone sea gull landed on Ed's hat and they all enjoyed not just a meager meal, but the fish they caught with the bird's gut. Sounds "kosher" to me according to NT doctrine.

 

I believe dietary laws nwere the last things on Rick's mind at that time!

 

Your problem is that 1 Corinthians 1:18 does actually say "Are being saved" as in the NKJV and others. The verb is in the present tense, which in Greek is continuous. That it offends your theology does not alter the meaning of the verb.

 

I realize that you're answering Hark, but to throw in....
I agree to an extent.

But I think that the KJV renders it just a bit better and agrees with other passages that salvation is an act of God that plays out in a person's lifetime:
In other words, we as believers were saved, are saved and will be saved.

To me, it's all " us which are saved" or "those that be saved", as none of His elect were ever in any danger of not being saved.

 

I agree.

When I look at the Greek here:
https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1co1.pdf
and here:
1 Corinthians 1:18 Interlinear: for the word of the cross to those indeed perishing is foolishness, and to us -- those being saved -- it is the power of God,

I see that " σωζομένοις", transliterated as "sōzomenois" into the English and meaning "those that are saved" is a Greek word that is carried over into English as more of a phrase...
But here's where I see a problem with our more modern use of English versus the KJV's:

The phrase "are being saved" could potentially give one the idea that it is a process and not an act of God start to finish.
In other words, He saved a people.
That decision was made before the foundation of the world when He chose the believer in Christ ( Ephesians 1:4 ).

The Greek in 1 Corinthians 1:18 tells me that "them that perish" is in the present "state of being" sense...
"the-ones-being-destroyed" / ones-perishing;
While "us which are saved" is also in the present "state of being" tense...
"ones-be-ing saved" / "are saved".

In other words, "them that be perishing" versus "them that be saved".

It's a state of being...not a process where one goes from being one thing ( a goat for example ) to being another ( a sheep for example ).
It's the same in 2 Corinthians 2:15.

One is either a goat or a sheep.
One either hears the word of God because they are "of God" ( John 8:43-47 ) and are His sheep, or one does not believe because one is not His sheep ( John 10:26 ).

One is either saved ( not "being" saved, but is / state-of-being saved ) or is being-lost / being-perishing / being-destroyed.

 

Contrasting this with " ἀπολλυμένοις" which means " who are perishing" / "them that perish",
I see that the Greek word corresponds with the English phrase, "them that perish", "who are perishing" in many translations.

Greek Concordance: ἀπολλυμένοις (apollymenois) -- 4 Occurrences

To me,
It's the same pattern with the Greek word " σωζομένοις", which means, " who are saved" / "are being saved" ( "are being" meaning "those that be" ).

Greek Concordance: σωζομένοις (sōzomenois) -- 2 Occurrences

They both describe a group that is one or the other...
Not that goes from being one to being the other.

 

And I believe the OT dietary laws have no application under the New Covenant in His blood.

 

True, but try telling that to a JEW.

 

I understand that you don't like the reading of the modern versions (NIV, NKJV, NASB etc.), but whether you like it or not, it is correct. I didn't post to argue theology, but to point out the meaning of the text. However, this may be helpful to you:

Paul uses a variety of tenses to describe our salvation. All these are taken from the NKJV:
Romans 8:24; Aorist: 'For we were saved in this hope.'
Ephesians 2:5, 8; Perfect: 'By grace you have been saved.'
Titus 3:5, Aorist: 'According to His mercy, He saved us.'
2 Corinthians 2:15, Present: 'Those who are being saved.'
Romans 5:9, Future: 'We shall be saved from wrath.'
Romans 11:26, Future: 'All Israel will be saved.'

Salvation then is Past, Present and Future. I have been saved by the precious blood of Christ; I am being saved as by the power of the Spirit I endure to the end (Matthew 24:13; 2 Corinthians 3:18), and I shall be saved on the Last day when I appear before the judgement seat of Christ.
'Believers then are saved in principle during their life on earth. Throughout their earthly sojourn they cherish this blessed assurance, for they are on their way to being saved completely (compare Hebrews 1:14). Complete salvation comes to them when they leave this earthly scene and enter the presence of God' (Simon Kistemaker, 1 Corinthians, Baker Books, 2002).

 

Thanks, Dave. It's a bit of a storm in a teacup. I only felt I should react to what @Hark wrote about the modern versions being 'false teachings.' They may (or may not) be in other places, but not in 1 Corinthians 1:18.

 

Problem is, most KJVOs are unwilling to accept the KJV's imperfections.

 

No robycop3 the problem is this... I came to the BB many years ago and little did I know when I got here there was a war going on... A vendetta, a battle, on the word of God the KJV I didn't start... I didn't come from any camp, I didn't belong to any KJVO cult... I use the KJV and am now KJVP!... But the P is not for its my Preference, NO!... It for KJV Pure!... The longer you brethren attack it, throw your slings and arrows at it only strengthens my resolve it is what it say it is, the Pure Inspired Word Of God for English speaking people... I have been in the church for over 50 years!... You don't think I know this Bible?... You don't think I know its history?... The Salvation all of us claim was accomplished by the blood of the sinless lamb of God, his ONLY Son Jesus Christ... The KJV the Pure inspired Word Of God came to be from the blood of a Martyr... I know it because I came on here wearing his name... Now, you and your minions leave US KJV brethren alone!... If you have nothing good to say about it, say nothing at all... Brother Glen

Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

 

The KJV is just an old English translation of the word of God. It's now outta date, left behind by time & language changes.

It's NOT pure; it has many goofs , booboos, & poor renderings, such as the ones posted elsewhere here.

It is NOT pure & is no more inspired than any other valid version is.

it's the KJVO MYTH I'm against-the false doctrine that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible version out there. That doctrine is man-made & an invention of Satan's, as he attempts to cast doubt upon God's word. Now, get it thru your head-THE KJV IS NOT PURE! Not one of you KJVOs can provide one quark of SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for your false doctrine. Evidently, you're in thrall to that myth as much as some others here are. It warps your thinking & fills your head with untrue points.

Yet more proof of your thralldom to the KJVO myth ! The "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" is proven FALSE by the AV 1611 itself. In that version, there's a footnote for the 2nd "them" in V.7 which reads-"Heb. him, I. Euery one of them." which PROVES those men knew that verse is about PEOPLE. They made the footnote because they subbed the plural "them" for the singular "I", knowing the verse is about people & not just one person. That whole "Psalm 12:6-7" blarney comes straight from the "Wilkinson-Ray-Fuller" line of garbage which started the current edition of the KJVO myth. THAT'S the trash you've come to believe, trying to tell us God finalized His word in English in 1611!

If you wish to use only the KJV, fine, but you should get rid of that baleful KJVO myth, as it's CERTAINLY NOT FROM GOD ! !