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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Jan 31, 2021.

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  1. Titus Tarnum

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    I agree that God has to spiritually resurrect us first otherwise you have to believe in the inherent goodness of humanity, and I believe that when God witnesses to your faith with your eyes open you are going to want to respond because of all of the work He has done to bring you to that point. This is called irresistible grace but it really should be called irresistible faith… Prevenient grace is the opposite of irresistible grace and like I said before the problem with it is every single person throughout time would need to have been given the choice to follow Jesus or freewill, which prevenient grace supports, would not be honored by God.
    The reason I don't believe that God offers every single person this prevenient grace is if He were to speak to someone deep in a Muslim country, for example, and they were to choose Christ they would immediately be killed… On top of that the great commission wants us, through His power, to go open those fields up for a harvest and until those fields are open grace can't be given. Now you are back to a spiritual battle, a war in heaven that is actually preventing God, not your freewill (sin) necessarily.


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    Unless, of course, the faith is given to you....
     
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    I said nothing about blaming God. I also said nothing about his commands being worthless. Those are your words, not mine. Don't put words in my mouth.

    You asked a question that was loaded. Is God's demand that we all repent? Yes. That is the demand of His standard. However, will we all repent? No. And he allows that to be.

    And no, without God changing someone, they do not have the capacity to obey him. 100%. But that's not because they are not at fault. They desire their sin. They want to be in their sin and God allows them to stay there (Romans 1).
     
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    A "DEMAND" means one thing to me and something else for you. TO ME a demand expresses a SINCERE DESIRE.

    So far demands are meaningless because you think all God's commands are insincere.

    You are tap dancing around the real question. Does God TRULY want you to repent? YES OR NO?
     
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    Any Christian can tell if you God truly wants you to sin or not, it is a no brainer.

    Can you imagine asking Jesus, Jesus, does God want me to sin?

    You think Jesus is gonna shrug and say "well......maybe"?
     
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    Sorry, you don't get to put words/thoughts into me.
     
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    Does God allow sin, yes or no?
     
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    I am still waiting for your help with this question ...
    ... so I can answer YOUR question.
     
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    YES.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    [Romans 8:28 NKJV] 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose.

    Does "all things" include our sins?
     
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    Yes.

    Not only your own sins but what others commit, including all mistakes.
     
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    No.
     
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    Then, NO. (God does not want us to sin.)

    ... and Genesis 50:20 and Romans 9:14-18 needs some 'splainin (cause they says that sometimes God unleashes sin to accomplish His purposes).
     
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    So does God want Satan to stay here so He can use him?


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    Does God want Satan to do evil so that good may come of it?


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    Is that a yes or no question?


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    Ok so what is the problem here?
     
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    You are not answering my question, You are answering YOUR OWN question.

    Can you imagine asking Jesus........ Jesus, does God want me to sin?

    You think Jesus is gonna shrug and say "well......maybe"?


    The heart of the issue is this liberal stance just to comfort your feelings instead of facing up to the answers.
     
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