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Titus Tarnum

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Titus Tarnum said:
You never hear someone trying to define freewill by saying look how perfectly someone has acted, instead it's only that they have sinned and lost their salvation showing their freewill. Then there was Jesus the only one who came and was able to do God's will perfectly; are you going to call Jesus a robot? No one could do God's will perfectly not Adam, not Noah, not Moses, not David only Jesus the first of all the robots! The fact that people try to define free will by the act of sin, and the fifth article of the remonstrates seeks to do it, shows me that free will is sin. I give up my will for God's will. I beg God to take my will from me and to put His will in me.
About your question does God want you to sin; God knows everything and God knew before the foundation of the world that if He was going to create humanity they would sin that's why Christ was crucified before the foundation of the world. You cannot be perfect without Christ's perfection, God knew this. God knew every sin that I would commit but He created me anyways. God is the only perfect being so if God is going to create something it would have to be less than Himself and capable of disobedience. That isn't a God-given right, free will isn't a God-given right. God knew His creation was imperfect and He made a way for us to become perfect by being part of Himself. God knew his angels would sin, is He honoring their freewill by allowing them to stay, I would say no, so why does He allow them here? As i said before The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares shows that if God was to pull the weeds He would destroy the earth so He has to wait until Armageddon. Got acts this way not because He is weak, but because of the imperfection of his creation being so delicate, otherwise God can just snap His fingers and all of Satan and his minions would be gone and we wouldn't have nearly the same problems. If you think that God wants Satan here that is another argument…


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I agree that God has to spiritually resurrect us first otherwise you have to believe in the inherent goodness of humanity, and I believe that when God witnesses to your faith with your eyes open you are going to want to respond because of all of the work He has done to bring you to that point. This is called irresistible grace but it really should be called irresistible faith… Prevenient grace is the opposite of irresistible grace and like I said before the problem with it is every single person throughout time would need to have been given the choice to follow Jesus or freewill, which prevenient grace supports, would not be honored by God.
The reason I don't believe that God offers every single person this prevenient grace is if He were to speak to someone deep in a Muslim country, for example, and they were to choose Christ they would immediately be killed… On top of that the great commission wants us, through His power, to go open those fields up for a harvest and until those fields are open grace can't be given. Now you are back to a spiritual battle, a war in heaven that is actually preventing God, not your freewill (sin) necessarily.


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Reformed1689

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You won't answer either way because its a glaring fault in your logic.

If God commands something of me its because he wants it done.

Should we trust God or think his command is worthless?

When Jesus says sin no more, I think he "TRULY" means he wants them to stop, Or is that just a joke?

I literally asked you if "God "TRULY" wants us to not sin?" And you couldn't give a straight answer.

Why correct anyone? according to you GOD doesn't want correction.

The only reason you had to add the adverb of "TRULY" is to deny the command.

Does God want obedience? and does God "TRULY" want obedience? are two different things for you.


You self proclaimed "elect" folks, If I ask if God TRULY wants your obedience can't muster up a "YES"?


Its a lot easier to BLAME GOD when you sin, cause he obviously didn't "TRULY" want you to obey.
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I said nothing about blaming God. I also said nothing about his commands being worthless. Those are your words, not mine. Don't put words in my mouth.

You asked a question that was loaded. Is God's demand that we all repent? Yes. That is the demand of His standard. However, will we all repent? No. And he allows that to be.

And no, without God changing someone, they do not have the capacity to obey him. 100%. But that's not because they are not at fault. They desire their sin. They want to be in their sin and God allows them to stay there (Romans 1).
 
utilyan

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Reformed1689 said:
You asked a question that was loaded. Is God's demand that we all repent? Yes. That is the demand of His standard. However, will we all repent? No. And he allows that to be.
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A "DEMAND" means one thing to me and something else for you. TO ME a demand expresses a SINCERE DESIRE.

So far demands are meaningless because you think all God's commands are insincere.

You are tap dancing around the real question. Does God TRULY want you to repent? YES OR NO?
 
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utilyan

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Any Christian can tell if you God truly wants you to sin or not, it is a no brainer.

Can you imagine asking Jesus, Jesus, does God want me to sin?

You think Jesus is gonna shrug and say "well......maybe"?
 
Reformed1689

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utilyan said:
A "DEMAND" means one thing to me and something else for you. TO ME a demand expresses a SINCERE DESIRE.

So far demands are meaningless because you think all God's commands are insincere.

You are tap dancing around the real question. Does God TRULY want you to repent? YES OR NO?
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Sorry, you don't get to put words/thoughts into me.
 
atpollard

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utilyan said:
Any Christian can tell if you God truly wants you to sin or not, it is a no brainer.
Can you imagine asking Jesus, Jesus, does God want me to sin?
You think Jesus is gonna shrug and say "well......maybe"?
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I am still waiting for your help with this question ...
atpollard said:
I am not sure it IS a simple yes or no question. Perhaps you could help me out with an example:
Did God "TRULY" want Joseph's brother's to sin (selling him into slavery)?
As you said ... "This is just a yes or no question."
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... so I can answer YOUR question.
 
atpollard

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[Romans 8:28 NKJV] 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose.

Does "all things" include our sins?
 
utilyan

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[Romans 8:28 NKJV] 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose.

Does "all things" include our sins?
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Yes.

Not only your own sins but what others commit, including all mistakes.
 
Titus Tarnum

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Then, NO. (God does not want us to sin.)

... and Genesis 50:20 and Romans 9:14-18 needs some 'splainin (cause they says that sometimes God unleashes sin to accomplish His purposes).
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So does God want Satan to stay here so He can use him?


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utilyan

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Ok so what is the problem here?
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You are not answering my question, You are answering YOUR OWN question.

Can you imagine asking Jesus........ Jesus, does God want me to sin?

You think Jesus is gonna shrug and say "well......maybe"?


The heart of the issue is this liberal stance just to comfort your feelings instead of facing up to the answers.
 
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