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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Reformed1689, Mar 25, 2021.

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    From confession of faith of Charles Spurgeon and other ministers, circa 1890:

    "Our hope is the Personal Pre-millennial Return of the Lord Jesus in glory."
     
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    Jesus taught the Spiritual Kingdom only. You reject his Kingdom when you side with the Pharisee's Pre-Millennial Kingdom
     
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    He was wrong. Study Jesus first, then you'll see Spurgeon's errors.
     
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    That's not true. I simply believe that when Scripture says that Jesus will physically reign on this earth for 1,000 years (John's teaching not the pharisees) that it means just that.
     
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    You are making the same mistake the Pharisees make, even today. Since the Kingdom is Spiritual, the Kingdom Prophecies are not literal. They are symbols of spiritual realities. The 1000 years in Revelation 20 = Satan's binding. When they end, Satan is loosed to attack the kingdom.
     
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    And when will Satan be bound? What else will be happening during that time Dave? And again, the Bible teaches a physical 1,000 year reign. You have to show from Scripture why we should not believe that. I'm not going to just take your word for it.
     
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    “But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (KJV 1900)

    Satan is bound from deceiving the Gentiles by the gospel. But he still carries out God's will as the destroyer.
     
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    It's not the hope of an earthly kingdom.
    It's the hope of an eternal kingdom preceded by a 1,000 year reign after the Tribulation where the Lord Jesus puts all His enemies under His feet by ruling the nations with a rod of iron, all His saints ruling from Jerusalem with Him, and the Lord Jesus delivering up all of that to His Father.

    Respectfully,
    It is not antithetical to the Gospel in any way.
     
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    It doesn't say that he continues to carry out God's will as the destroyer during the 1,000 years Dave. It says he is thrown away and locked into an abyss.
     
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    Agree. @Aaron has repeatedly said that a literal 1,000 year reign is somehow against the Gospel but has shown no Scriptural support for such a position.
     
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    The great tribulation happened in AD70. Christians have great tribulation throughout the entire Christian era.
     
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    And why would John be writing about something that already happened? That doesn't fit.
     
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    Only from deceiving the nations. What happens if you add your words to Revelation? Stick with scripture.
     
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    I'm not the one adding words Dave. You are the one saying he continues during the 1,000 years as the destroyer, not me. I pointed out that he is locked away in an abyss. You are the one adding the words.
     
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    Revelation says he is bound from deceiving the nations. Nothing more. Stick to the word.
     
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    He is not writing about that past event. Christians suffer great tribulation throughout the entire era.
     
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    The kingdom is both spiritual and physical.

    The spiritual side of it is all Christ's sheep united by the Spirit.
    The physical side will be during the 1,000 year reign, followed by new Heavens and a new earth, my friend.
    As God's children, we will all have new bodies.

    After the Lord subdues His enemies, He will then deliver it all up to His Father.
    Then the slate is wiped after the Judgment and the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven.

    It will be a glorious sight, and I look forward to it.:)
     
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    Jesus says you are wrong. Only the born-again can see the kingdom. Why? Because it is Spiritual.
     
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    Worse than the plagues of Egypt?
    I don't recall seeing anything in the history books even approaching a cataclysm of that magnitude ever happening since Christ ascended to heaven.

    If you find it, please let me know where to look.
     
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    I agree.
    Only the born again will see the new Heavens and the new earth.
     
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