What is Catholicism?

[AustinC]

As a Baptist, you don't know how they baptized back then? You are supposed to know of all people.

Dave, you are avoiding. Tell me what happened and how the Apostles did their baptism on Pentacost.
A person's eternal security is not bound up in the method of baptism nor in some incantation between saying "in the name of Jesus" or "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."
Another person brought up modalism. Are you a modalist?

 

[1689Dave]

Ha

Dave, you are avoiding. Tell me what happened and how the Apostles did their baptism on Pentacost.
A person's eternal security is not bound up in the method of baptism nor in some incantation between saying "in the name of Jesus" or "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."
Another person brought up modalism. Are you a modalist?

Have you ever studied Baptist Theology? If you incorporate all the verses on Baptism you get the answer, except for the Catholic approach to the formula. I encourage you to find the answer so we don't end up in another argument.

You cannot fully understand the trinity apart from understanding this.

 

[37818]

The Apostolic Pentecostal cult has it right as far as Jesus' name. But they do not understand the trinity. That turns their baptism into a damnable heresy. The early church had it right for the right reasons. You also cannot understand the trinity unless you grasp the Name of Jesus Christ as it relates to it.

The Hebrew Name of God is the Name the Father, Son and Holy Spirt have in common.

 

[37818]

Have you ever studied Baptist Theology?

Baptists disagee on "baptism."

 

[1689Dave]

The Hebrew Name of God is the Name the Father, Son and Holy Spirt have in common.

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)

“and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they were all drinking from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:4)

 

[1689Dave]

Baptists disagee on "baptism."

Truth has no contradictions.

 

[37818]

Truth has no contradictions.

The fact is baptists do disagee on the interpertation of baptism in a number of New Testament texts.

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)

And you favor a corrupt reading over the text which is suppoted by some 79% of the Jude manuscrips.

 

[Yeshua1]

Truth has no contradictions.

Some truths have large grey areas, such as the timing and events of the Second Coming!

 

[MB]

"What is Calvinism?", )

Catholicism at it's beginning "What Is Catholicism is"Reformed Agustianism"Or Calvinism which ever you prefer to call it.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Dave, you are avoiding. Tell me what happened and how the Apostles did their baptism on Pentacost.
A person's eternal security is not bound up in the method of baptism nor in some incantation between saying "in the name of Jesus" or "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."
Another person brought up modalism. Are you a modalist?

Maybe Oneness?

 

[Yeshua1]

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)

“and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they were all drinking from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:4)

Are you saying that ONLY Jesus showed up in the OT then?

 

[37818]

Are you saying that ONLY Jesus showed up in the OT then?

I am of the point of view all appearances of the LORD God was the Son on behalf of God the Father, John 1:18 KJV, John 1:2-3, John 14:6.

 

[AustinC]

Ha

Have you ever studied Baptist Theology? If you incorporate all the verses on Baptism you get the answer, except for the Catholic approach to the formula. I encourage you to find the answer so we don't end up in another argument.

You cannot fully understand the trinity apart from understanding this.

If I read every verse where baptism is written, I realize it is a common greek word meaning to immerse or to dip. I also realize that the element of water is not always applied, such as being baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ.
Since baptizo can mean "to dip" it is reasonable that 3000 people in Jerusalem were dipped, not fully immersed.
One thing I note in dialogue with you, Dave, you speak like a legalistic Pharisee. I encourage you to be wary of that leaven.

 

[utilyan]

Jesus Christ stated:

Matthew 28:19
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

 

[Titus Tarnum]

If I read every verse where baptism is written, I realize it is a common greek word meaning to immerse or to dip. I also realize that the element of water is not always applied, such as being baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ.
Since baptizo can mean "to dip" it is reasonable that 3000 people in Jerusalem were dipped, not fully immersed.
One thing I note in dialogue with you, Dave, you speak like a legalistic Pharisee. I encourage you to be wary of that leaven.

I pointed out earlier that 100 people could baptize 30 people each easily in an hour (3,000) and the pool of Solomon is large enough or Hezekiah's pool is also possible with a little extra work; you assume only the apostles baptized and none of disciples of Jesus. You assume it wasn't possible to baptize 3,000 and when someone points out it was you ignore it? Ever been to a city pool? They have some pretty big ones; think about a pool large enough for 100 baptisers, it's not an ocean…


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[AustinC]

I pointed out earlier that 100 people could baptize 30 people each easily in an hour (3,000) and the pool of Solomon is large enough or Hezekiah's pool is also possible with a little extra work; you assume only the apostles baptized and none of disciples of Jesus. You assume it wasn't possible to baptize 3,000 and when someone points out it was you ignore it? Ever been to a city pool? They have some pretty big ones; think about a pool large enough for 100 baptisers, it's not an ocean…


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Was the pool of Solomon right next to the Temple where Peter was preaching?
Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether each person was immersed or whether they were dipped. Baptism does not save. Baptism expresses to the world that the Christian has been immersed into Christ Jesus by the Holy Spirit.
The issue I have is with legalists who demand only one method of baptism and only one "incantation" be used. I find it silly.

 

[Titus Tarnum]

Was the pool of Solomon right next to the Temple where Peter was preaching?
Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether each person was immersed or whether they were dipped. Baptism does not save. Baptism expresses to the world that the Christian has been immersed into Christ Jesus by the Holy Spirit.
The issue I have is with legalists who demand only one method of baptism and only one "incantation" be used. I find it silly.

Why don't you look it up? I don't think you are trying to vet the info very hard... The fact is Solomon's pools aren't in Jerusalem, Hezekiah's pool is there though, and the Bethesda, Siloam and the Mamallia pool looks especially promising. I tried to find a place that it could of happened because you don't believe that 3,000 people couldn't have possibly been immersed that day. To me that is a weak argument, and now you say it doesn't matter to you how people did it. I'm not a Baptist myself but I would never accept anything other than an immersion baptism because I read that is how Jesus did it, and He felt it mattered, and your right baptism doesn't save, Jesus does. Lastly, Baptism represents being buried with Christ and being raised again to new life, Rom 6:4and it shows your obedience to God. God is a legalist Himself and wants us to do and believe what is right. You say "Baptism does not save" so is it necessary then, and if you agree that it is necessary if at all possible does that make you a legalist?


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[Titus Tarnum]

Also, Acts 2:1 doesn't say they were at the Temple, but simply at a place and as far as we know that place was right by a pool.


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[AustinC]

Why don't you look it up? I don't think you are trying to vet the info very hard... The fact is Solomon's pools aren't in Jerusalem, Hezekiah's pool is there though, and the Bethesda, Siloam and the Mamallia pool looks especially promising. I tried to find a place that it could of happened because you don't believe that 3,000 people couldn't have possibly been immersed that day. To me that is a weak argument, and now you say it doesn't matter to you how people did it. I'm not a Baptist myself but I would never accept anything other than an immersion baptism because I read that is how Jesus did it, and He felt it mattered, and your right baptism doesn't save, Jesus does. Lastly, Baptism represents being buried with Christ and being raised again to new life, Rom 6:4and it shows your obedience to God. God is a legalist Himself and wants us to do and believe what is right. You say "Baptism does not save" so is it necessary then, and if you agree that it is necessary if at all possible does that make you a legalist?


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Where do you read how Jesus baptized others?

 

[1689Dave]

If I read every verse where baptism is written, I realize it is a common greek word meaning to immerse or to dip. I also realize that the element of water is not always applied, such as being baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ.
Since baptizo can mean "to dip" it is reasonable that 3000 people in Jerusalem were dipped, not fully immersed.
One thing I note in dialogue with you, Dave, you speak like a legalistic Pharisee. I encourage you to be wary of that leaven.

Scripture teaches complete immersion in water. Any baptist should know this. Do you think all were immediately baptized, or possibly within a certain time-frame?