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What is Catholicism?

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1689Dave said:
Jesus Christ is the name of YHWH in the NT. This is why Peter used it instead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit when baptizing. Kurios in the NT is Lord, also used for Lord in the OT LXX.
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The Lord in the Lord Jesus Christ refers to His humanity in being Lord of all. As the Christ to His kingship and deity being our Savior. Unless like a Catholic you believe Mary is the mother of God, Luke 1:43. She is mother of our Lord, not the mother of God.
 
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37818 said:
I am of the point of view all appearances of the LORD God was the Son on behalf of God the Father, John 1:18 KJV, John 1:2-3, John 14:6.
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So Jesus in burning bush, speaking to Abraham, speaking to Adam and eve?
 
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1689Dave said:
Ha

Have you ever studied Baptist Theology? If you incorporate all the verses on Baptism you get the answer, except for the Catholic approach to the formula. I encourage you to find the answer so we don't end up in another argument.

You cannot fully understand the trinity apart from understanding this.
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You are not into Modulaism or Oneness?
 
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1689Dave said:
“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)

“and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they were all drinking from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:4)
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The Father and the Spirit also were there!
 
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AustinC said:
Dave, you are avoiding. Tell me what happened and how the Apostles did their baptism on Pentacost.
A person's eternal security is not bound up in the method of baptism nor in some incantation between saying "in the name of Jesus" or "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."
Another person brought up modalism. Are you a modalist?
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or a Oneness?
 
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AustinC said:
Was the pool of Solomon right next to the Temple where Peter was preaching?
Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether each person was immersed or whether they were dipped. Baptism does not save. Baptism expresses to the world that the Christian has been immersed into Christ Jesus by the Holy Spirit.
The issue I have is with legalists who demand only one method of baptism and only one "incantation" be used. I find it silly.
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Sounds like the jesus only crowd, who requires it to be done just in the name of Jesus to be valid!
 
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Titus Tarnum said:
Why don't you look it up? I don't think you are trying to vet the info very hard... The fact is Solomon's pools aren't in Jerusalem, Hezekiah's pool is there though, and the Bethesda, Siloam and the Mamallia pool looks especially promising. I tried to find a place that it could of happened because you don't believe that 3,000 people couldn't have possibly been immersed that day. To me that is a weak argument, and now you say it doesn't matter to you how people did it. I'm not a Baptist myself but I would never accept anything other than an immersion baptism because I read that is how Jesus did it, and He felt it mattered, and your right baptism doesn't save, Jesus does. Lastly, Baptism represents being buried with Christ and being raised again to new life, Rom 6:4and it shows your obedience to God. God is a legalist Himself and wants us to do and believe what is right. You say "Baptism does not save" so is it necessary then, and if you agree that it is necessary if at all possible does that make you a legalist?


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water baptism not required to get saved, but to be obedient to Jesus!
 
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37818 said:
The Lord in the Lord Jesus Christ refers to His humanity in being Lord of all. As the Christ to His kingship and deity being our Savior. Unless like a Catholic you believe Mary is the mother of God, Luke 1:43. She is mother of our Lord, not the mother of God.
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You don't even begin to understand this.
 
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Titus Tarnum said:
What we should really be talking about if this is a conversation about Catholicism (Roman Catholicism m?) is the "Sacrifice of Mass", that subject is the most infamous of all Catholic doctrines in my opinion.


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Their denial of Pauline Justification worst heresy!
 
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atpollard said:
The "Sacrifice of Mass" is also one of the most "misrepresented" of all Catholic doctrines (in my opinion).
  • for example, it is definitely NOT cannibalism. :eek:

Since the "Sacrifice of Mass" has a lot of parts, is there a particular question that you wanted to start with?
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NO saving grace is imparted thru it being taken either!
 
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Titus Tarnum said:
Hi atpollard! I understand that the Sacrifice of Mass isn't a re-crucifixion of Christ but it is the re-visitation of the original crucifixion for new (venial) sins is that right?


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Its reading literally into what Jesus meant to be symbolic!
 
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Titus Tarnum said:
My next honest question of you Austin is what does water baptism look like to you?
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IMMERSION ... "baptisto" means to "whelm" or to plunge completely under the liquid. There is a Greek word for "dip" and a Greek word for "sprinkle" that are used in scripture, but people are told to repent and be "baptiso".
 
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Titus Tarnum said:
Hi atpollard! I understand that the Sacrifice of Mass isn't a re-crucifixion of Christ but it is the re-visitation of the original crucifixion for new (venial) sins is that right?
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I am a little out of my wheelhouse, but I heard (from a Jesuit Speaker) that the mass allows the physical world to touch the divine world. Thus the elements become reality and those worshiping and partaking enter into the eternal "now" of God. Thus Christ is dying at that moment for our sin, and rising in glory in that moment for our hope and seated with the father in that moment for our comfort and security. As we obediently eat His flesh and drink His blood, we literally become one with him ... the literal body of Christ (here on Earth).

Hopefully a Catholic will come along and correct whatever I got wrong. That is the danger of a sample size of "one". :)
 
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For those following along that might want a glossary:

  • Modalism: is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God. It is a denial of the Trinity. Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son; and after Jesus’ ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. In other words, this view states that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time–only one after another. Modalism denies the distinctiveness of the three persons in the Trinity even though it retains the divinity of Christ. Present-day groups that hold to forms of this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches. They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus, and require baptism for salvation.
  • Oneness Pentecostalism: is a movement of multiple churches (United apostolic, United Pentecostal, etc.) that denies the Trinity and says that God is one person who took different modes at different times. Typically, it is associated with the hyper-charismatic experientialism, works righteousness, and baptism is a requirement for salvation.

(credit: definitions taken from CARM and Matt Slick)
 
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