Featured Two views of being saved

We do not know that. But maybe more like Balaam, Numbers 23:10, ". . . Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his!"
2 Peter 3:9-15, "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; . . ."

 

Does he have the promises of God, Hebrews 10:17, Revelation 3:5, or not Revelation 20:15?

 

Hebrews 10:29, "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

 

. . . or else to be shed for them only that they might be the deeper damned.
Romans 14:9, "For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. . . ."
Romans 14:11, ". . . For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Romans 8:34, ". . . Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, . . ."

1 John 2:2, ". . . the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. . . ."
Romans 8:34, ". . . is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. . . ."

He died to be Lord and Judge of the the dead and Lord and Savior of those whom live through Him.

 

Does not change Hebrews 10:29.
Hebrews 10:28-30, ". . .
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace ? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. . . ."

 

How? And then why? Should I believe those whom God saves can turn there back on God?

 

Your understanding makes no sense to me or we would agree.

2 Corinthians 5:14, ". . . For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: . . ."

 

The two views:
1) The saved know they are saved now.
2) The saved know they are saved now, but that salvation can be lost.

 

I am not a universalist. If universalism was true, it would not matter.

Now the two views hold salvation is by grace, not the works.

The second view holds that one can leave the faith. The first view holds once one believes and is saved, one will not leave, because God keeps them.

 

What does Hebrews 10:30 tell you?