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Chauvin: The Case Against the Mob

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  1. Aaron

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    Chauvin: The Case Against the Mob - Ann Coulter

    One of the main arguments being advanced by Eric Nelson, sole attorney for Derek Chauvin in his trial for the murder of George Floyd, is that the hostile crowd itself prevented the officers from attempting to perform CPR in the last minutes of Floyd’s life.

    Even the prosecution’s “use of force” experts admitted repeatedly on cross-examination that a hostile crowd would justify Chauvin keeping Floyd restrained until an ambulance arrived. An officer’s duty to provide care is overridden by his duty to keep himself, the suspect and the bystanders safe.

    As was evident from the videos (and admitted to by the bystander witnesses), they were shouting obscenities at the police, threatening them with bodily harm and, in a few instances, had to be held back from rushing the officers.

    And of course, because of the presence of the angry crowd, the EMTs themselves did not stick around to provide care, but did a “load and scoot,” heaving Floyd into the back of the ambulance and driving three blocks to get away from the mob on the street. They didn’t even want to work inside an ambulance near this feisty group.

    As it becomes increasingly obvious that the belligerent onlookers themselves may have gotten George Floyd killed by creating a dangerous situation for the officers, media commentators leap in to do backup work for the prosecutors by sneering at the idea that the officers might have felt threatened by a few rowdy teenagers.​
     
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    nothing can excuse the police officer from his illegal actions of having his knee on Floyd's neck. There can be no doubt that this at least contributed to the death of Floyd. Murder is about the right verdict.
     
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    That his knee was on the neck was disputed by the prosecution's expert witnesses.
     
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    I'm not sure that using the knee is illegal - but was it on hard the entire time- it seemed as he Floyds head did turn some - if so -then he was not pressing that hard the entire time.

    Looks like Aaron brought up some interesting points, of which I was not aware.
     
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    I guess, the video taken by Darnella is a strong evidence on how Floyd's die. Its good that Chauvin was found guilty.
     
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    Do you think the drugs that Floyd took had anything to do with his death?

    And as far as a cop being found guility
    Will LEO be less offensive - and if so - does that mean some criminals will get away?
     
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    The mob certainly interfered in potentially detrimental ways, which turned out to be definitely detrimental ways. The most shameful of all is the EMT, who interfered the most. She might have been of help had she been carrying ID.

    Instead she made herself a major part of the problem. If they don’t fire her, the entire department will deserve her bad reputation.

    She exposed herself in court as a terrible judge of a critical situation. Incredibly, she thought George was a small man. She even refused to believe that the ambulance arrived so late after being called. Her actions were a major reason the arriving EMTs did nothing on scene. Too volatile.
     
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    If Chauvin was worried about a hostile crowd armed with mobile phones telling him to take his knee off his victim’s neck, the best way to diffuse the situation would have been to take his knee off of his victim’s neck.

    He had 3 other armed officers to manage the crowd. The person interfering with Floyd receiving first aid was Chauvin.
     
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    Has anyone heard that Chauvin was fired from 2 other police departments? Had a number of infractions with the other two departments? I heard that for the first time today. I would like to know whether it is true of not?
     
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    It does not matter where the knee was.
     
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    I am looking forward to the retrial.
    I want some real answers that make sense about a blood O2 of greater than 90% and suffocating. If Floyd did not “suffocate” then the knee did not kill him.
     
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    It most assuredly does.
     
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    looks like you are trying very hard to justify the police officers actions?
     
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    No, it doesn't.
     
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    Hindsight and time machines. If someone was going to stab you to death SavedByGrace i would hopefully shoot them first. Or should i hesitate and let you be stabbed? You do know that a knife is a deadly weapon don't you?
     
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    so WHAT a taser guns for??? Why not shoot to disable, rather than kill? I know not of another civilised country on earth, that acts like the USA!
     
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    1. What is the range of a taser? Were they close enough to use a taser when they had to make that decision?
    2. Statistically, the odds of shooting an arm are far less than 1 in 10, so where will the stray bullets go and who or what will they hit?
    3. The police arrive at a scene where a girl has attacked one person (lying on the ground) and is approaching a second person with a kitchen knife. As the police approach, the second victim stumbles and the girl raises the knife to stab the second victim. What do the Police in "civilized countries" do?
     
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