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Featured Have Believers Already Been Adopted as Children of God?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Scripture More Accurately, Apr 15, 2021.

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    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Here is God's answer:
    Ephesians 1:3-23
    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

    Ephesians 2:1-22

    And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

    I point you toward God. Either accept your adoption as God says or continue in your denial by clinging to one verse out of context of the whole of scripture.
     
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    God does not have illegitimate children as all are adopted into his family when saved!
     
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    Children who are born into a family are automatically part of the family. They never need to be adopted to be a part of a family.
     
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    If they are formally in another family must be adopted, as we all were in the Kingdom of Satan before saved!
     
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    Not true. We do not have to be adopted to be in God's family because we are born into God's family.
     
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    we get the rights to be called his children due to our adoption!
     
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    Nope.

    John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    Scripture says that we become the sons of God by the new birth. We do not need to be adopted to become the sons of God.
     
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    The new birth is when we get adopted!
     
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    That's not what Romans 8:23 says.
     
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    All of the NT makes that point though!
     
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    No, the other passages speak of adoption as something that will happen and not as something that has already happened. We are not going to agree on this point. If you want to keep going around and around . . .
     
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    You stick on one verse, but we use all of the NT!
     
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    Wrong. You either deny what Romans 8:23 says or ignore it.

    Either way, you do not use all of the NT. You only use the parts of the NT that you think support what you want to believe is true.
     
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    Here you prove you refuse all of scripture in order to cling to one verse you take out of context. You are therefore unreasonable.
     
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    Wrong. I have not refused anything handled correctly. You mishandle the other passages.

    Moreover, these are God's words, not mine:

    Rom. 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

    Either you accept that God says that we are waiting for the adoption or you do not. Do you accept that we are waiting for the adoption or do you deny that we are waiting for the adoption?
     
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    We are right now the adopted children of God, but we do not yet have the fullness of what that means, as that awaits the glorification of the physical body in the resurrection!
     
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    All scripture is God's word. You ignore all the other passages about adoption and then misrepresent Romans 8:23 as an isolated statement. That is on you. You have been shown your error and refuted by more than one person. You are alone in your position.
     
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    I have not ignored them. I have addressed them in previous posts in this thread.

    You refuse to deal with what Romans 8:23 says. You are not interested in knowing what God says. You are only interested in setting forth your own ideas instead of actually dealing with the explicit words of God.
     
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    There is no passage that says that we are right now the adopted children of God. Right now, we have been born again into God's family. We wait for our adoption, the redemption of our physical bodies.
     
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    Spirit of adoption that allows us to call God Abba, eh?
     
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