He is the propitiation for our sins:

Human faith trusts used car salespeople. Holy Spirit faith is Godly and comes from Him. If you choose to believe, it is human faith. If you cannot help but believe, it is Holy Spirit faith, the Evidence of your salvation.

 

Cognitive Dissonance is a requirement of Calvinism, not truth.

 

Your theology is warped

 

My assumption is correct. You are blind to your overt contradictions and fall upon the crutch of Calvinism to avoid seeing the contradictions. So be it.

 

more reformed RUBBISH!

 

I do, just was saying that world does not mean automatically all people, have to determine context!

 

@Brightfame52 :

As I once heard an old preacher say,
"That is the offense of the cross."

What offense?
For whom did Christ die...

Ephesians 5:25.
Matthew 1:21.
John 10:11.
Isaiah 53:8.

If Christ actually took away or paid for the sins ( Colossians 2:13-14, Romans 5:10 ) of the world ( every man woman and child, as John 1:29 and 1 John 2:2 seem to many to say all by themselves ), then Hell hath enlarged herself for nothing.

There is no one there awaiting the Judgment.

 

to say that "the whole world" is the elect, is total RUBBISH! Read 1 John 5:18-19, and see that this teaching is a LIE!

"We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him. We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one"

"We are from God", are those "who has been born of God". And "the whole world", has to be the unsaved world, which is "
in the power of the evil one". Unless you say that born again believers are with the devil! BOTH here and in 2:2, the SAME Greek is used, with exactly the SAME meaning! ONLY "theologically", as "reformed/Calvinist", would anyone pervert this plain Teaching of the Bible!

 

Calvinist twaddle, filled with false and unsupported charges, with no on topic content.

Jesus being the propitiation for the whole world does not mean Jesus propitiated the whole world.

Only those placed into Christ receive the reconciliation provided by Christ's sacrificial death.

 

The two views:
1) The bogus view is God chose all the individuals to be saved before creation. Never mind 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes being chosen before living as someone not chosen.
2) Christ died for all humankind, those to be saved and those never to be saved. Therefore, becoming the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world, all of humankind, does not propitiate all people, but it does provide the means of salvation for everyone who believes. This view is consistent with 1 Peter 2:9-10.

 

"This whole world has been reconciled to God Heb 2:17"
It has not. the 'people' who are HIS brethren, only they are reconciled to God and saved, the rest who are unbelievers remain unreconciled, and God is not saving any unbelievers from their sins.
Christ is the appeasement of wrath (propitiation) only for them who believe in Christ.
Heb 2 is referring to the children of God, not the unbelieving world. People mention there are the children of God.

Note the context
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”

13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

 

respond to #50

 

So for example if you want to have the appeasement of God's wrath for you, the propitiation of your sins, you must believe in Jesus Christ, follow Him.
Otherwise you have no appeasement or propitiation, no forgiveness and you go to hell, you die in your sins.

So yes Christ is the propitiation, the atoning sacrifice for the sins of all the world, but the blood must be applied individually.

Just what the 'Passover' is all about, when death passes over, passes by your house, it passed by you because the blood of the lamb was applied over the doorway of your house.

 

And here we see the contradiction again.

"Jesus propitiated the whole world...but not really. In reality Jesus only propitiated those chosen to be in Christ." Yet, Reformed theology is "twaddle."

Van, every reader can see your contradictions...and they don't have to be a Calvinist to see it.

 

See the bold contradiction.

In your view, Jesus blood was poured out for all, but was ineffective for many. Jesus blood was like a flu shot that may or may not protect from the flu.

Second, your claim about 1 Peter 2:9-10 is for the elect. How do we know? We read the first verse in 1 Peter 1:1.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

How do we know this? We also read 1 Peter 2:11

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul.
~ 1 Peter 2:9-11

 

Note how Calvinists claim I said the opposite of what I said.
Pay no attention to false teachers spreading disinformation

 

Once again the Calvinist spreads disinformation. Let us count the ways:
1) Christ's death was ineffective for many. Here the false doctrine that Christ's death propitiated those He died for is put forth. And the actual doctrine, Christ's death provided the means for all humankind to be saved is ignored.

2) Next, did anyone claim 1 Peter 2:9-10 was not addressing the elect? Nope But note how the bogus rebuttal ignores that once they were not a people, and they would have always been a people if the false claim of individual election before creation were true.

I believe anyone who actually considers scripture will come the the same conclusion I came to, that Calvinism is precluded by scripture, over and over again.