Featured The "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" used by KJVOs is false.

Michael Hollner asserted: “God used a ‘purified seven times’ (Psalm 12:6-7) refining process during all the English translations prior to the 1611 version, and used men to refine the 1611-1769 versions to give us a final product” (King James Only Debate, pp. 442-443, 2021 edition).

 

Ah, Psalms 12:7 refers to persons not verse 6.

 

How does a perfect translation ever need to get purified though?

 

But he would not answer me as to what particular time in history the KJV became perfect. Seems like someone would have noticed at the time: "Hey, I just read through the KJV, and noticed that it is now perfect. A miracle!"

 

Miraculous proofreading, it has to be. Wish I could have that done to our Japanese version.

 

John was there not a good Japanese translation available?

Was the thrust to update language?

TIA

I do not remember you ever addressing the need before

thanks again

 

Per the KJVO, had to be when the 1611 kjv was first completed!

 

Just need to get some of those 1611 Goggles!

 

Conservatives in Japan use the Shinkaiyaku version, funded by the Lockman Foundation and done from the texts and after the principles of the NASB. It's a pretty good version.

However:

1. It was tough to get permission to print the Shinkaiyaku, so we wanted a version that anyone could use without permission and without paying. (The US Lockman Foundation actually sued and won against the Japanese version. The Japanese translators had to pay tons of money just to get permission to publish their own version.

2. We wanted a colloquial version from the TR. There has only been one NT from the TR in Japanese history, the Nagai version, done by a Japanese pastor in very difficult classical Japanese. It has been out of print for many years.

 

Very informative.
Thank You

 

Do the Scriptures actually teach or support the new KJV-only purification process argument that KJV-only advocates may use to try to discount the many differences between the pre-1611 English Bibles and the KJV?

The truth that is stated in Psalm 12:6 is the fact that "the words of the LORD are pure words" meaning 100% absolutely and wholly pure. Pure used in the particular context of describing the quality of the words of the LORD given to the prophets and apostles would clearly be asserting 100% absolute, complete purity or perfection with no mixture of any impurities at all.

After the assertion of fact, then an illustration, simile, or comparison is given [as] to confirm that truth, not to contradict it by suggesting that there were some impurities in the pure words given to the prophets and apostles. Thus, the phrase "purified seven times" (Ps. 12:6) actually stated clearly concerning silver on earth is used to illustrate and affirm that the words of the LORD are 100% wholly, absolutely, completely, and perfectly pure when given by inspiration of God. This phrase about the refining or purification of silver obviously and clearly would not contradict the earlier assertion or statement of fact. That phrase does not indicate or assert that the words of the LORD are mostly pure or almost pure with a few impurities, defects, faults, corruptions, errors, or contaminants mixed in so that they needed to go through a gradual improvement or refining process of seven purifications in seven English translations or in seven purifications in the various editions of the KJV.

Words of the LORD asserted to be wholly and completely pure in the positive or absolute degree could not be made purer; therefore, they would not have any impurities that need to be removed during a claimed purification process. Thus, the quality of being completely pure and completely free from all impurities that is asserted concerning the words of the LORD could not be increased. Nothing can be asserted to be purer than what is already 100% absolutely pure according to the meaning of pure used in the context. Pure in the positive degree would simply make a true assertion concerning what is described as being pure, and it does not compare it to other things. Pure is clearly not used in a comparative degree concerning the 100% absolutely and completely pure and perfect words of the LORD. The word of the LORD is perfect (Ps. 19:7). Pure words of the LORD have the very same absolute, complete purity as very pure words (Ps. 119:140). The use of “very” would emphasize the fact of absolute purity, but it could not increase the purity of words that are already 100% wholly and absolutely pure.

KJV-only subjective, private interpretations or misinterpretations suggesting a purification process or refining process based on Psalm 12:6 could be considered an example of eisegesis, reading into a verse ideas that were not actually stated in it. KJV defender Thomas Corkish agreed: “Some have mistakenly said that the Bible has need to be ’tried’ (’refined’) seven times in order for it to be given as ’pure.’ Actually, it was as ’refined’ silver from the beginning” (Brandenburg, Thou Shalt Keep Them, pp. 143-144). He added: “The Bible is not a pure Word because of any derivation, development, revision, recovery, or improvement” (p. 149). KJV-only author Gary Miller wrote: “Purifying something seven times makes it almost perfect. But God’s words are perfect” (Why the KJB, p. 16). H. D. Williams acknowledged: “God’s Words are in no need of being ’cleansed’ or ’purified’” (Pure Words, p. 53). Glenn Conjurske observed: “If the New Testament which Tyndale produced in 1525 needed 244 years of refining and polishing ere it could be regarded as ‘absolutely authoritative,’ this operation was not preservation at all, but restoration” (Olde Paths, Sept., 1995, p. 198; Bible Version, p. 63).

 

Would think though a Christian group would not be being to court someone trying to use their work out on the field, did not the Lord Jesus command us to freely give forth was we have been entrusted with by Him?

 

Does your TR into Japanese include I John 5:7 as in the KJV? Do you have to pay money for your translation? I am a bit confused about the legal issues you mentioned.

Blessings...

P.S. I will take you up on your book offer. Are you the author and grandson of Mr. Rice?

 

Yes, we do include 1 John 5:7. I actually translated that verse many years previously for a tract translation I did. In answer to your question about payment, here is the English version of our NT copyright notice, included in every copy (including 86,000 Gospels of John handed out):

Copyright Notice

This New Testament has been translated from the Textus Receptus Greek New Testament. For information about the translators and translation method, please contact us at lifelinebible@yahoo.com. All rights are reserved for purposes of protecting this translation from unscrupulous people. Anyone is permitted to print, post on Internet websites and include in software this text or portions of it. Changes may not be made to this translation without permission. Permission is not granted to profit monetarily from this translation. This notice must be included as is in all printings.

The Translators

Yep, that's me.

 

I rejoice that you are translating the TR into Japanese. Despite our differences, may the Lord use your work and win souls for Christ. How do I order a hard copy of your translation, or is it available online?

Blessings....

 

Thanks for the encouragement.

I don't handle the printing side of things, but the whole NT will be printed sometime later this year by the Bearing Precious Seed ministry, God willing. You can check out the project here at our final editor's (and dear friend) website: Lifeline Translation Japanese New Testament | 名寄インマヌエル聖書バプテスト教会