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  1. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
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    Well, actually, it WAS, because the Jews continued to reject Jesus, as the Orthodox Jews still do today. However, as the time of the eschatological events approaches, God has restored the Jews to their own sovereign nation again to fulfill prophecy & to be used to fulfill other prophecies.
     
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    God's wrath is on anyone who rejects Christ, especially those who hate him most.

    “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 (KJV 1900)
     
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    That was temporary because of the wilderness journey. All of Abraham's seed were circumcised but Ishmael was his only blood relative in the community.
     
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    But God removed them. Only those who accept Christ are grafted back into the Church.
     
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    So are Christians.
     
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    Because he was a Jew ministering to Jews. But also said; “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:” Romans 2:28 (KJV 1900)
     
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    A very interesting verse.

    Gal 1:14 καὶ προέκοπτον ἐν τῷ Ἰουδαϊσμῷ ὑπὲρ πολλοὺς συνηλικιώτας ἐν τῷ γένει μου περισσοτέρως ζηλωτὴς ὑπάρχων τῶν πατρικῶν μου παραδόσεων

    Ἰουδαϊσμῷ --- JUDA-ism Judaism - KJV Jews' religion

    γένει --- breed race - kindred
     
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    It matters not how temporary, but forty years is quite a ways from the 8th day. In any case, they weren't circumcised on the 8th day yet were still referred to as Israel, because they were still Israel even without the circumcision.
    Sounds like a non sequitur, and also like some sort of doublespeak. You'll need to flesh that one out, or drop it.
     
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    Umm that sounds like they do their own grafting. I'm not buying.
     
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    Only the grafted in will accept Christ. God does the grafting.
     
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    It was a temporary wait because of the circumstances. What about Abraham's seed? All foreigners except for Ishmael? It's about circumcision, not blood.
     
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    But He was especially hard on the Jews because they were the earthly guardians of the Scriptures (thru the Levites) and Jesys, as a man, was a Jew and was sent to the Jews. He had Jews, especially Paul, Peter, & Philip, sent to the gentiles. And I believe it'll be less-tolerable for the Jews who go to hell, as Jesus said it'd be more tolerable for Sodom & Gomorrah than for Capernaum.
     
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    No; He simply didn't graft them back in in their disbelief. They were still racial Jews.
     
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    Agreed. While a Jew can become a Christian, a non-Jew cannot become a Jew.
     
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    I don't think Hitler's treatment of the Jews agrees with you.
     
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    “And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king’s commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.” Esther 8:17 (KJV 1900)
     
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    Biblical Israel is believers in Christ only. God does not graft unbelievers back in.
     
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    No, & I hope it doesn't agree with YOU!
     
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    RELIGIOUS Jews. One must be BORN a Jew to be a racial Jew.
     
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    Did I say He did?
    Israel WAS God's tree til the Jews rejected Jesus. And, of course, a Jew must come to Jesus same as anyone else to be grafted back onto that tree.
     
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