Before the Foundation of the World

what do you mean?
There are mAny verses on it.

 

Your assertions reflect the opposite of what scripture teaches.
1) The Lamb's book of life is never said to be sealed.
2) Names are said not to be entered since the foundation, and so presumably, other names were and are being entered since the foundation until the end of the age.
3) Scripture says the Lamb of God was known before creation, but exactly when His book came into existence is not revealed as far as I know.

 

More false assertions not found in scripture.
1) God created humanity, and to claim humanity existed eternally in God's mind is a denial of scripture.
2) Since names apparently are entered since the foundation, the bible supports individual election for salvation since the foundation of the world.
3) God existing eternally as three persons before creation is taught by scripture.

 

Being named as under the Atonement is the election of God.

Accepting that Atonement is still a free will choice. It is not a heresy. In the very end, God will reply, I never knew you! Is Scripture being heretical on that Point? It is only at the end of creation will there be a point that God never knew them. At the start of creation God knew everything. Scripture is not being contradictory. The outcome at the end is the only point these people would never have existed. So, Salvation is not universal, but based on a choice. Never knowing many is not universal, but still based on a choice. God chose to save all. Many still chose not be saved. Spending hundreds and thousands of years in sheol will not change that choice.

The question has been when do some get to make that choice. God is still there with them in sheol. That is what David already proclaimed a thousand years before Christ, and even Job indicates that fact, more than a thousand years before David. Not that many cannot make that choice. All will or have already made that choice. The GWT is when the choice is made official. Only after current creation, will God never have known them.

I think the Lake of Fire will continue in the NHNE. I do not believe annihilation is implied. God will know them and they will know God in a new way. How that works out we are not told.

 

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Only the Lamb can unseal the Lamb's book of life. Only the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world to create the Lamb's book of life. It is named the Lamb's book of life because it only involves the Atonement Lamb. Notice in the 6th Seal, John does not use the name of Jesus Christ. He does not use Messiah. He claims the Lamb has now come to earth as part of opening this book and bringing all judgment with Him during the final harvest of the Trumpets and Thunders.

This is the end of Adam's sinful life on earth. That is why the book is now being opened.

 

I said God is not limited to 3 persons. I never said they did not exist. I said God created them into this reality. We are limited as created beings to know all about God outside of creation. All we know is what is revealed in current creation. We can know things about eternity that is outside of creation. We do know there is an eternity outside of creation.

Many people interpret eternity according to their own understanding, not how Scripture reveals it. Many assume the NHNE is eternity. I think that is a wrong assumption. NHNE is a totally different creation, but still a creation.

 

Gee, I missed where the reference said the book was the Lamb's book of life.
Gee, I missed where the reference said when the book was created or sealed.
Once again, we have speculation being claimed to be supported from scripture.

 

Once again, your views represent your speculation, but lack actual support from scripture.

 

I posted nothing to do with your interpretation of Pelegias' theology. The book has been sealed. No editing whatsoever.

Calvin did not have the answer either. His theology is more deceptive and heretical than Pelegias. I am not saying works and asceticism can save any one. It is a free will choice to reject salvation. Calvin claims, no one has a choice. That is still universal Atonement. It is universal that some would never be covered, and some would. Nothing could change that universal knowledge of God. Calvin starts out with universal depravity, and claims God changes the few without a choice. How is universal depravity, not universal? The only universal good was in Adam before Adam disobeyed. From that point on was universal depravity. Now names had to be removed, the only available option.

There is not a single Scripture that shows constant editing. There is this interpretation that editing is an ongoing phenomenon from the start. How do you edit a sealed book? Sure God could edit a sealed book. That sorta defeats the point of it being a sealed book. It was sealed, because God is not a respecter of persons when it comes to who is covered by the Atonement.

God is a respector of persons when it came to the lineage from Adam to Christ. God guided the process in a particular way to achieve His Atonement.

Being in the Lamb's book of life does not mean one is without sin. It means one is covered by the Atonement. Sin was not a universal creation waiting to be enacted. Sin was entered into the world upon the instant Adam disobeyed God. It was a punishment. Many may not see it as a punishment. It was not promised. What was promised would be that Adam would die. There is also the question, which comes first, sin or disobedience. Is being disobedient a sin if sin does no exist? Once a single law is broken, then it is a sin. Most view sin through sinful nature that men are depraved. Adam was not created depraved with a sin nature. Adam had one law. It seems plausible that there could be laws without sin and depravity. Disobedience is instant Death, not a life of being depraved in sin.

 

As do most of yours. Interpretation is a kind way of saying assertion. You are right in your own eyes.

 

You do know how to compare Scripture with Scripture. What other book would the Lamb be opening? Can you find another named book that only the Lamb can open?

 

Yet another unsubstantiated claim that I speculate just like Mr. Timtofly. Even if I did, (and do not think so) two wrongs do not make a right.

 

Then you accept universal Atonement that cannot not be changed by God. Salvation can never be a choice. God did not love the whole world. God only loved those God would force to be loved.

 

I agree that being right in your own eyes does not make things right. That is your assertion. You did not bring any proof in your post from Scripture. You asserted your opinion against what you alledged to be my opinion.

 

On and on, speculation to support speculation.

 

Yet another, you are as bad as me post. Twaddle

 

This is also the view of some Lutherans and some Anglicans, as they see the grace of God extended towards them in the rite and effective until they disavow Jesus!