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Jesus' ministry was from 28AD to 30AD the year of His crucifixion and resurrection. Mark 14:12-16 was the 14th per Exodus 12:6-18. Christ was tried and then crucified on the 15th by the Romans.

 

I see the Hebrew in Esther as quite clear and inclusive:

שׁלשׁת ימים לילה ויום = "three days, night and day".

 

Unfortunately, no. That is incorrect. I provided the historical data confirming AD 27.

Let's do this in reverse fashion.

“...to determining when the reign of Tiberius Caesar started.[38] The traditional approach is … that the reign of Tiberius started when he became co-regent in 11AD, placing the start of the ministry of John the Baptist around 26 AD. ...” - [Wikipedia; "Baptism of Jesus"] - Baptism of Jesus - Wikipedia

"...John the Baptist was born about 5 BC, and now about 26 A.D. about the age of 30 he appears in the wilderness of Judea. ..." [Bible-History; John the Baptist] - John the Baptist Appears - Story of The New Testament (Bible History Online) ​

Placing John the Baptist in AD 26, then automatically places Jesus in AD 27. Let's re-confirm this by adding the 70 weeks, or 490 years in Daniel 9, to the starting date given in scripture.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

That "determined" means that the 70 weeks are sectioned from something greater (demonstrable upon request), and previously given in Daniel 8, see Daniel 8:13-14,26. The 2,300. The "vision" spoken of in Daniel 8 and 9, are the same (demonstrable upon request). It began in the kingdom of Medo-Persia. The book of Ezra gives us an exact time:

Ezr 6:14 And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

Ezr 7:8 And he came to Jerusalem in the fifth month, which was in the seventh year of the king.

Ezr 7:26 And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.​

The 7th Year of Artaxerxes I Longimanus/Machrocheir was in 457 BC (late fall). This is one of the most proved dates in History:

Ptolemy's Canon (Claudius Ptolemaeus), section Artaxerxes I - Ptolemy's Canon - Livius

VAT 5047 (No. -453 in ADT I), dated to year 11 of Artaxerxes I (454/453 BCE). - http://kristenfrihet.se/kf3/Chronology Persia. Furuli's Response to COJ Examined.htm

LBAT 1419 (No. 4 in ADT V), with one entry dated to year 21 of Xerxes (465/464 BCE). - http://kristenfrihet.se/kf3/Chronology Persia. Furuli's Response to COJ Examined.htm

LBAT 1387+1388+1486 (No. 56 in ADT V), mainly dated to the reign of Artaxerxes I. - http://kristenfrihet.se/kf3/Chronology Persia. Furuli's Response to COJ Examined.htm

Saros Tablets - LBART *1419; Accession of Artaxerxes I, pages 80-81, citing, J. N. Strassmaier in reports in ZA, VII [1892], 200, 201; VIII [1893], 106) - https://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/Periodicals/AUSS/1968-1/1968-1-05.pdf

The Chronology of Ezra 7 (1953), Siegfried H. Horn, Ph.D; Lynn H. Wood, Ph.D, page 28-30 (Conclusion) - http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Further_Research/e-books/THE CHRONOLOGY OF EZRA 7 (Siegried H Horn).pdf

Elephantine Papyri - Siegfried H. Horn and Lynn H. Wood, "The Fifth-Century Jewish Calendar at Elephantine," JNES 13 (1954):14-16 - http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.wan.io...th_Century_Jewish_Calendar_at_Elephantine.pdf

Zondervan Illustrated Bible Dictionary, by J. D. Douglas, Merrill C. Tenney, section, "Nehemiah, book of", page 1008, par. 3 (Left-hand Column) - Zondervan Illustrated Bible Dictionary

Aramaic Ritual Texts from Persepolis, Volume 91, University of Chicago Press, 1970 pages 143-144 - Aramaic Ritual Texts from Persepolis

Ancient Israel: Its History and Meaning, by Heber Cyrus Snell, page 203 - Ancient Israel

Babylonian Chronology: 626 B.C. - A.D. 75, Part 75, by Richard A. Parker, & Waldo H. Dubberstein, page 32, Table for Artaxerxes I, 7th year, far right columns, for 1-3 months of reign (fall) - https://books.google.as/books?id=ww1KAwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=457+BC+Artaxerxes+I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyjObAq9HhAhWMtp4KHe_wC4s4HhDoAQhKMAg#v=onepage&q=457 &f=false

The Apocrypha of the Old Testament, Revised Standard version, by Bruce Manning Metzger (1965), Oxford University Press, page 16 - The Apocrypha of the Old Testament, Revised Standard Version

An Epitome of General Ecclesiastical History: From the Earliest Period of Antiquity to the Present Time, by Rev. John Marsh A.M. (1828) & Adam Clarke; Chapter 6, page 75 - https://books.google.as/books?id=AznvRpKRVAYC&pg=PA75&dq=457+BC+Artaxerxes+I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj93uC1rdHhAhW9FjQIHQ5wA4I4MhDoAQhPMAg#v=onepage&q=457 BC Artaxerxes I&f=false​

So going from 457 BC, + 483 (69 weeks) brings one to AD 27. The "Messiah" (Anointed), or Baptism of Jesus. Which is perfectly in harmony with John the Baptist in John AD 26, six months prior. it also fits with the known chronology of Jesus' accept birth in approx. 4 BC. AD 27 - 30 (about the age of Jesus; Luke 3:23, being required in the OT for beginning of service; Numbers 4) brings on to approx. 4 BC.

Serving from AD 27 + 3 1/2 (middle of the final week), brings one to AD 31 for the death of Jesus. AD 31 and another 3 1/2 (final part of the 70th week, by the Apostles, Hebrews 2:3) and Stephen dies, in AD 34. The type and anti-type match perfectly here (demonstrable upon request). Forwards and backwards it is confirmed. Now all you need is the right scriptural calendar.

 

@Alofa Atu
You claim a proven calendar converter is in error. Where is a better one? You deny Mark 14:12 was the 14th do you not? Per Exodus 12:6 and Exodus 12:18. Jesus met with His disciples the evening of the following day, Mark 14:17. Placing His crucifixion on the 15th.

 

What is the historical evidence for this? From my searchs there was none that I could ever find.

 

Exodus 12.2.6

2."This month shall mark for you the beginning of the month, it shall be the first month of the year for you.

6.You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, then the whole assembled congregation of Israel shall slaughter it at twilight."


Every Seventh Day is the Sabbath Day, and according to the Scripture the Passover Lamb has been sacrificed on the Second Sabbath (14th Day) of the first month.


And so is Jesus, because Jesus replaced ordinary lamb of Passover with Himself and became the Sacrificial Lamb of Passover, in this case He has to be sacrificed on the same date as the ordinary lamb of Passover, on the SABBATH DAY, in order to FULFILL THE SCRIPTURES.


First Peter 1.18-19

18.You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold,

19.but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without defect or blemish.


Exodus Sacrifice (Passover) was actually a Guilt Sacrifice. The guilt of the Jews has been forgiven and the Passover Sacrifice spared them when they mark their doorposts with the blood of the ordinary lamb, but Egyptians did not know this and their houses were unmarked, and because of it all firstborn from humans to animals all perished from the wrath of GOD.


The Passover (Guilt) Sacrifice of Jesus Christ does the same thing. If we accept Sacrifice of Christ for our sins (guilt), by doing this we are spiritually marking "the doorpost of our soul with the Blood of Christ," and the wrath of GOD on us will Pass Over us and spare us from the death, just like the Hebrews who marked the doorposts of their houses with the blood of the ordinary lamb.


Isaiah 53.10

7."He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth, like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so He did not open His mouth.

10."But the Lord was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief if He would render Himself as a Guilt Offering (Isaiah 53.10) (Romans 8.3) (Ephesians 5.2) (1John 4.10). He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His land."


Jeremiah 11.19

19.But I was like a gentle lamb led to the slaughter, and did not know that they had devises plots against me saying, 'Let us destroy the tree with its fruit, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name be remembered no more.'



Concerning resurrection and be raised, these words can be understand differently. Resurrection means to be resurrected from the physical death back to physical life and it happens immediately, and well recorded in OT and in NT, and also will happen on the day of mass resurrection in the future.


To be raised, mostly means to be ascended to GOD (John 20.17), because ascendance (to be raised) requires purification for three days.


Lazarus was resurrected on the third day.


John 11.5-6

5."Accordingly, though Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus,

6.after having heard that Lazarus was ill, He stayed two days longer in the place where He was."



Matthew 12.40

40."Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so for three days and three nights the Son of man will be in the heart of the Earth."



Matthew 16.21

21."From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and undergo great suffering at the hands of the elders and chiefs priests and scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised."


Acts 10.40

40."But GOD raised Him on the third day and allowed Him to appear,"



Before presenting themselves to the Lord people have to be purified (Exodus 19.10-15), and Jesus Christ as well, because He did everything according to the Law of Moses and fulfill the Law. Before ascending (raising) to GOD purification usually requires three days for the subject to be completely purified (consecrated).


John 20.17

17.Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, I have not yet ascended to the Father, but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My GOD and your GOD."


So the resurrection of Jesus was immediate as it was done in previous cases with other people, on the same Sabbath Day, but His ascendance (raise) to His Father was delayed for three days in order to be purified before His ascendance.


Hosea 6.2

2."He will revive us after two days, He will raise us up on the third day that we may live before Him."


"The heart of the Earth" most likely means Jerusalem, because it is religious heart of the Earth from ancient times. Why Jesus compared Himself to Jonah who was in the belly of the beast for three days and three nights? (Johan 1.17).


Because in such unusual act of GOD Jonah cried to the Lord and was purified for three days and three nights from his disobedience to GOD, and after his release from the belly of the beast Jonah, being purified and consecrated obeyed the command of the Lord, and he went and complete his mission concerning Nineveh.


So and Jesus, after been three days and three nights in the center of the Earth - Jerusalem, He was purified from impurities of the human body and from physical life on Earth, and according to the Law of Moses ascended to His Father in Heaven being clean and consecrated for thee days and three nights.

 

Jesus was crucified on Friday, but He died on Saturday, on the Sabbath Day after darkness fell during His crucifixion on Friday, and by this He fulfill the prophesy about His death and resurrection and complete the Law of Moses.

 

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To keep the thread moving, I withdraw my assertions, and apologize. I am sorry. Please continue with your thread.

 

May these help you:

"... History tells us that he was co-regent with Augustus Caesar starting earlier in A.D. 11/12. This occurred because Augustus wanted a successor to his throne. Augustus’ first choice of an heir to the throne died before Augustus did. So he adopted his grandson Tiberius Caesar Augustus as a son in A.D. 4 so that he would be the heir to the throne. In A.D. 11/12 he was made co-regent and consequently became the ruler in August 19, A.D. 14 upon Augustus’ death.[1, 2] ...

... 1. Jack Finegan. Handbook of Biblical Chronology. Hendrickson. 1964. [see page 183 - Handbook of biblical chronology; principles of time reckoning in the ancient world and problems of chronology in the Bible : Finegan, Jack, 1908- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive ].

2. Chris Scare. Chronicles of the Roman Emperors. Thams and Hudson. 1995. Ibid. pp. 30.'" - %%title%% %%sep%% %%sitename%%​

"... However, according to Suetonius, after a two-year stint in Germania, which lasted from 10–12 AD,[35] "Tiberius returned and celebrated the triumph which he had postponed, accompanied also by his generals, for whom he had obtained the triumphal regalia. And before turning to enter the Capitol, he dismounted from his chariot and fell at the knees of his father, who was presiding over the ceremonies.”[36] "Since the consuls caused a law to be passed soon after this that he should govern the provinces jointly with Augustus and hold the census with him, he set out for Illyricum on the conclusion of the lustral ceremonies."[37]

Thus, according to Suetonius, these ceremonies and the declaration of his "co-Princeps" took place in the year 12 AD, after Tiberius' return from Germania.[35] "But he was at once recalled, and finding Augustus in his last illness but still alive, he spent an entire day with him in private."[37] Augustus died in AD 14, a month before his 76th birthday.[38] He was buried with all due ceremony and, as had been arranged beforehand, deified, his will read, and Tiberius, now a middle-aged man at 55, was confirmed as his sole surviving heir.[39] ..." - Tiberius - Wikipedia​

"... XX. After two years, he returned from Germany to the city, and celebrated the triumph which he had deferred, attended by his lieutenants, for whom he had procured the honour of triumphal ornaments 322. [AUC 765; 11/12 AD] Before he turned to ascend the Capitol, he alighted from his chariot, and knelt before his father, who sat by, to superintend the solemnity. Bato, the Pannonian chief, he sent to Ravenna, loaded with rich presents, in gratitude for his having suffered him and his army to retire from a position in which he had so enclosed them, that they were entirely at his mercy. He afterwards gave the people a dinner at a thousand tables, besides thirty sesterces to each man. He likewise dedicated the temple of Concord 323, and that of Castor and Pollux, which had been erected out of the spoils of the war, in his own and his brother’s name.

XXI. A law having been not long after carried by the consuls 324 [AUC 766; 13AD] for his being appointed a colleague with Augustus in the administration of the provinces, and in taking the census, when that was finished he went into Illyricum 325 [AUC 767, 14AD]. ... " - Seutonius; Tiberius, sections XX & XXI - The Lives of the Twelve Caesars, by C. Suetonius Tranquillus;​

The ceremony existed before the law came into in place [13AD] and official appointment [14AD], which was circa 11/12 AD.

Beth Severy (historian) states,

"... For the most part, Tiberius led the empire's military campaigns, while Augustus administered the city of Rome. The various problems which arose in this period were handled by both men in a way that reinforced the role of their family in the state. ..." - Augustus and the Family at the Birth of the Roman Empire
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Others:

"... The mission of the Baptist in the 15th year of Tiberius, calculated from a. d. 11, will fall in a. d. 25-26; the baptism of Christ may be assigned to a. d. 26-27.—"A Dictionary of the Bible," James Hastings, art. "Chronology of the New Testament," Vol. I, p. 406, 1st col. New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1898. (See also the same work complete in one volume, 1909, art. "Baptism of Our Lord." ..."
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More:

"... Christ was six months younger than John the Baptist, and is generally considered to have entered upon his ministry six months late; both of them commencing their work, according to the law of the priesthood, when they were thirty years of age. Of Christ, Luke says expressly that at the time of his baptism he began to be about thirty years of age. Luke 3:23. Now John entered upon his ministry, as Luke informs us (chapter 3:1), in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar. Tiberius was the successor of Augustus, who reigned to A.D.14. The date of Augustus's death is indisputably fixed by means of the great lunar eclipse soon after, September 27, which served to quell the mutiny of the Pannonian legions, and to induce them to swear fidelity to Tiberius, as recorded by Tacitus. 1 But the reign of Tiberius is to be reckoned, according to Prideaux, Dr. Hales, Lardner, and others, from his elevation to the throne to reign jointly with Augustus his stepfather, in August, A.D.12, two years before the death of the latter. The fifteenth year of Tiberius would therefore be from August A.D.26, to August A.D.27. In harmony with the prophecy, John must have commenced his ministry in the spring of A.D.27. This would be in the fifteenth year of Tiberius, as Luke asserts; and it would allow Christ to commence his ministry six months later, in the autumn of A.D.27, the very point where the 483 years of Daniel 9 expire. {1898 UrS, LUJ 190.2}

3. The length of Christ's ministry. This may be quite accurately determined by enumerating the Passovers which he attended. There were four of these as recorded in John 2:13; 5:1; 6:4; and 13:1; and it is to be presumed that John mentions them all. At the last of [191] these he was crucified. This would make the duration of his ministry three years and a half. Thus if he commenced in the autumn of A.D.27, he would preach six months before his first Passover in the spring of 28. His second Passover would be in the spring of 29, his third in the spring of 30, and his fourth in the spring of 31, when he was crucified. {1898 UrS, LUJ 190.3} ..."​

 

A lot of words. Jesus was in fact crucified on Julian date Thursday April 6th 30AD. And the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar being 28AD not 29AD as commonly calculated from the year 14AD. (14 + 15 = 29). In reckoning the years 14AD was year 1 of 15. (14 - 1 + 15) (Like BC to AD there being no year zero in counting)

 

I cited scripture, and other historical sources (including Seutonius) with references (others cite also Tacitus Annals I; along with Velleius Paterculus 2) - CLAS-HST 122: History of Rome . I have shown the connection of prophecy to history, with references and confirmation of those dates by many historical sources (457 BC (fall), etc). I have demonstrated the differences in the calendars, between the Rabbinical standardized Hillel II and the Torah Karaites with many citations to those facts. You cited? Your own words and a calendar converter which does not take into consideration those facts (it doesn't even take into consideration the sighting of the New Moons, it just gives a standardized calculation). I think I have proved the point here beyond reasonable doubt, and see no need to further respond to you about this, since you do not address anything I provide to you when I respond to you with such evidences.

What you call "A lot of words", I would call demonstrated confirmation in evidences. I have seen the perfect harmony with which all of that information comes together.

You are free to believe what you will, of course.

 

What was the original souce and fact from 11AD for coregency? It is not disputed the reign of Tiberius Caesar began 14AD. Typically simply adding 15 for the 15 years to believe Jesus' first Passover during His ministry was to be 29AD. And the notion Jesus must have been crucified at the same hour the Passover lambs were killed to be on a Friday is the basis for the 33AD crucifixion date.

 

Yes. Why not?

 

Exactly as noted above #43:
שׁלשׁת ימים לילה ויום = "three days, night and day".

Night, day, night, day, night, day. And on that third day at some point, she goes to the king. Not all that difficult.