Jeremiah 18: Romans 9 De-Calvinized

He is the Son of God, the word made flesh.
A "Jew" in the sense of being directly descended, in the flesh, from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

A member of the tribe of Judah and of the house of David.

The same as this:

" Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." ( Jeremiah 1:5 ).

God "foreknew" a person in the same sense as Psalms 139 tells us...
It's the complete opposite of " I never knew you..." in Matthew 7:23;
"I never loved you".

God's love is a love in action, and that action was,
He sent a Saviour in the Person of His Son, who saved His people from their sins ( Matthew 1:21 ).

 

I admire you for your honesty.
Still, when I did the same as you and simply sat down and read it for myself, I gradually began to see the opposite.

The more that I completely ignored systematic theologies and blocked out other influences,
the more the words on the pages began to sink into my mind, and the more I began to see the truth of what is commonly called "Calvinism"...

At least in the "Five Points" now known as " T.U.L.I.P.".

Notwithstanding that the objector in Jeremiah 18 is the rebellious sinner described in Jeremiah 18:12, I don't see them doing that at all.

Rather, I see them taking the side of God ( for the most part ), and agreeing with Him when He point-blank tells His people that were it not for Him and His irresistible grace that is bestowed upon men ( through no conscious effort of their own ),
they would have never willingly chosen to obey Him...

Even if it meant their eternal damnation, torment and suffering in the Lake of Fire that burns forever and ever.


The above stated, I wish you well, @Humble Disciple ...
May God bless you with His wisdom and knowledge, and with many blessings as you live the days that the Lord has allotted to you in this life.

 

And now you must be destroyed. Calvinists cannot let that stand.

 

Your first sentence is entirely false. It seems you have a week grasp of the doctrines of grace and are vacillating with no clear compass. That's fine, but stop imagining you are a spokesman for Reformed doctrine.

Election is before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1) and is solely by God's mysterious will, good and perfect in every way.

There is no need to "go to bat" for anyone here. We stand or fall on God's word.

 

Free will = enslaved to Satan unless enslaved to God.

 

Fourth paragraph of the OP:

It's common for anti-Sovereignty ilk to try make Ro 9 all about Israel's rejection of Christ. I merely pointed out to you the context is about individual vessels, 'not of the Jews only but also of the Gentiles', and NOTabout Israel, a vessel.

I 'foreknow' what's going to come up in my garden every year because I planted the seed.

 

Contingent upon...
You just made faith a work that God merits to the one who believes. It's the same error Van falls into. None of the verses you reference imply such a thing.

 

Most of calvinism IS false, especially the parts about everyone being born predestinated. And mhere's why:

Jesus said in Matt. 10:32,“Therefore WHOEVER confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven."

He said in John 12:46,"I have come as a light into the world, that WHOEVER believes in Me should not abide in darkness."

Luke wrote in Acts 2:21,"And it shall come to pass That WHOEVER calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’

He also wrote, in Acts 10:43, "
To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, WHOEVER believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

And Paul wrote, in Romans 10:13,"For WHOEVER calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Not one "whoever if already elect" !

And PLEASE, don't anyone say they were preaching or writing to those already elect! Those verses simply don't say that!

And don't forget Jesus words in John 3:16-"WHOEVER believes..."

 

You do not understand biblical foreknowledge....it is whom He did foreknow...not what He did foreknow.

 

This posts refutes nothing. It shows your understanding to be false, but you keep posting it anyway.

 

Another drive by anti cal post...no mention of his dishonest posting, yeah another day, the same M.O.

 

Your man-centered theology is coming through now...must have been hard for you to try and lay low for a couple of days, but you did not really get by....we spotted it early on.lol.

 

Certainly, like Romans 1, he has given you over to the schemes of men.

 

Yeah being dishonest and deceitful are not really fruits of the Spirit.
Austin, have you ever made pretend you were someone else theologically to communicate what you believe?

 

I understand exactly what WHOEVER means; evidently, YOU don't, or wish to be deliberately obtuse while trying to support a false doctrine.

 

No. I share scripture and clearly state what I believe. I don't attempt a wishy washy view that I don't believe in order to deceive. From the moment I came here I shared scripture as I believe it teaches. I rarely appeal to the thoughts of others, and instead appeal to scripture.