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satan is deceiving across the earth today, Islam, Rome, word of faith etc!

 

Non-sequitur to the OP. However, your question again assumes something that the texts do not say. There is nowhere where the texts cited say that Jesus and the saints reign over the wicked. At all.

They reign in life and peace, over themselves, having "dominion" restored:

Mic_4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.​

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1Co_4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.

Rom_5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Rom_5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:​

God in Heaven, along with all the Heavenly hosts (saints of Heaven, Angels, etc) ruled, and reigned a long time before there was ever wickedness (Satan) in appearing. Adam and Eve reigned as "gods" (knowing good), as "kings" ("crowned"; Psalms 8:5), though there were no wicked on earth yet.

You have a simple misunderstanding of what it means to "reign" in the context of the 1,000 years.

However, all of this about "reign" is simply not the OP topic, and is shifting the goal post, but I have answered you on it none the less.

Again, read the references I provided and you will clearly see that the earth is indeed emptied of humanity for 1000 years.

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.​

It speaks of the 1,000 years desolation of the earth, yet God would not then "make a full end" at that time, since it becomes the place of dragons and owls (devil and angels) for that time, and at the end of the 1,000 years, it is then that God brings the end that comes to all sin and sinners.

Read these please:

Jeremiah 4:23-28, 25:15-38;
Zephaniah 1:2-3,14-18;
Isaiah 2:6-22, 11:4, 24:1-6,17-22, 34:2-17.

 

I think you have a problem with simple reading of English. Look again:

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.​

 

I cited them (Rev 20:7-10) in the context of Revelation 20:5a:

Rev 20:5a "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. ..."

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

My position is as solid as ever Robycop3, whereas I do not see your position represented by those texts, at all. They clearly teach that the wicked humanity are all dead (from Cain to the last who were alive at the 2nd Advent, and so destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' second Advent (2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation 6:16, etc)) for those 1000 years, and Satan (along with his angels) are bound upon the earth to wander it, as a prisoner in a pit (Isaiah 24), awaiting execution. Once the wicked humanity (from Cain to the last) are resurrected at the end of the 1000 years, then Satan is able to deceive them one last time.

 

The nations have been deceived since the tower of Babel the gospel is now going forth from the Middle East all over the world

 

Read those texts again Robycop3, as the wicked are all deceived at the end of the 1000 years when Jesus and New Jerusalem come down. The righteous do not inherit the earth (made new) until after the wicked are destroyed in the lake of fire, and God remakes the earth:

The location of this “reign” of Jesus and the saints, for “a thousand years” is never said to be on the plague wracked, utterly sin polluted and totally cursed and devastated “earth”, wherein even the upper heaven [atmosphere] is burned away by the second Advent [Genesis 3:17, 5:29, 8:21; Isaiah 34:4; 2 Peter 3:10-12; Revelation 6:14; 11:19, 15:1,6,8, 16:9,17-21, 18:4,8 21:9, 22:18]. So likewise for the passages of “Isaiah 2, 11, 65; Amos 9; Zechariah 14”. Read prayerfully and carefully for oneself. Where then is the “thousand year” reign of Jesus and the saints to be? It is to be in Heaven, the “third” [2 Corinthians 12:2].

Notice Isaiah 2:4 in which it speaks of, “... they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” That is the earth “made new”, wherein it is said in Revelation 21:4, “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” The earth is not “made new” until after the 1,000 years, not before.

Notice Isaiah 11:4-10, in which the complete destruction of the wicked takes place first (as in Revelation 20:9-10, 11-15), and then follows the statements about the New Heaven and New Earth, which comes after the 1,000 years, see Isaiah 11:9, “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” See Isaiah 11:6-8 and compare to Isaiah 65:20-25, 66:22-23. See that Isaiah 66:16 and its events, the destruction of the wicked in entirety, come before those other events, which take place in the earth “made new”.

Notice Amos 9:14-15 in which the events, “... they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them.”, and of the planting and building are in the earth “made new”, after the events of the destruction of the wicked in Amos 9:8, which does not take place until after the 1,000 years as Isaiah 24 and Revelation 20 (and other places) show.

Notice Zechariah 14 carefully, and see that this is not referring to the Second Advent (the beginning of the 1,000 years), wherein the “saints” are “caught up” to “meet the Lord in the air” (1 Thessalonians 4:17), as also John 14:3 says, “... I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”, but refers to the Third Advent, wherein the Lord Jesus comes “down” and touches the sin polluted earth, along with the saints and New Jerusalem on the Mount of Olives, as in Revelation 20, at the ending of the 1,000 years, and thus metes out judgment, executing all the wicked, and recreating the heavens and earth. See Zechariah 14:12-13,21 in connection to Revelation 20:9-10,11-15.

The “reign upon the earth” comes after 1,000 years [Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7], for the “saints” must be both resurrected and/or translated, glorified, and brought back to Heaven [John 14:1-4; 1 Thessalonians 4:17, etc] at the Second Advent and First Great Resurrection, to “reign” in Heaven, for 1,000 years [Revelation 20:4,5a,6] going over the record books of the lost [1 Corinthians 6:2,3; Psalms 149:1-9]:

[1] The “thousand years” reign “in Heaven” [Psalms 50:5; Matthew 5:3,8,10,12, 6:20, 13:30, 24:31; Mark 10:21, 13:27; Luke 6:23, 18:22, 23:43; John 14:2-3, 17:24; Colossians 1:5; Hebrews 10:34; 1 Peter 1:4; Revelation 7:9, 14:3, 19:1; “Paradise”, Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7] with Christ Jesus [1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 20:6] and

[2] The “reign on earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth; 2 Peter 3:13; Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; Revelation 21:1] that lasts “forever and ever” [Revelation 5:10; “meek inherit earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth], Psalms 37:9,11,34; Proverbs 11:31; Isaiah 25:8, 65:21; Daniel 7:27; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 5:10].​

 

Thank you.

 

Yes they are, very plainly, as already shown to you on several occasions (as for instance - No Plans ), but that is irrelevant to the OP subject and do not expect for me to go any further with you here about it, derailing the importance of the subject at hand.

 

Scripture please. You haven't provided any scripture for those beliefs yet. You have provided assumptions, but no scripture. So, please produce the scripture which says what you believe. Thank you. I will await your responses of scripture to consider them.

 

You have a problem understanding. The rule on earth takes place before the Judgement, Revelation 20:11. See Revelation 11:15, ". . . voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; . . ." And at the end of the 1000 years, Revelation 20:7-8, ". . .
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, . . ."

 

No, I understand just fine:

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.​

1000 years, in the pit/grave (they are not completely destroyed until the Lake of Fire at the end of the 1000 years).

Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.​

eternal, earth made new.

Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
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This is seen in Daniel 2:

The "Kingdom of God" (which includes, righteouness (Psalms 119:172), peace (Psalms 119:165) & joy (Psalms 16:11; Jude 1:24) (Romans 14:17) does not exist on earth during the 1000 years (Revelation 20:1-7; Isaiah 24:22; see also Psalms 37). In Daniel 2:34-35, there is seen a several phases or time events. In Daniel 2:34, there is seen the beginning of this:

"... a stone was cut out (of the mountain, vs 45; God's Heavenly Kingdom above) without hands (Mark 14:58; Colossians 2:11 (a stone was used to circumcise, and cut away; Exodus 4:25-26)), which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces." (Daniel 2:34)​

This is the destruction of the kingdoms of this earth by the return of Jesus Christ in the second advent, the stone (Zechariah 3:9; Revelation 5:6; Matthew 21:44; 1 Peter 2:4, etc) cut out of the Mountain without hands, and the timing is given in Daniel 2:35, being the end of the "summer" (Matthew 24:32; Mark 13:28; Luke 21:30) harvest and threshing (see Jeremiah 8:20, etc).

"Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; ..." (Daniel 2:35)​

Then there is a period of 1000 years of desolate earth (see scriptures below), followed by the total destruction of all the finally impentitent who ever lived at the 3rd Advent of Jesus Christ with New Jerusalem coming down from Heaven above, with all the saints:

"... and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them:"

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." (Revelation 20:11)​

After that event, then will God re-create the earth and heaven, and then, and only then, will the saints dwell upon the earth made new:

"... and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth." (Daniel 2:35)
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There are phases of time for each event.

You have misunderstood Revelation 11:15, as it does not deal with the 1,000 years, but is very clear, in English (you speak and read English, yes?) when it says, "for ever and ever".

37818, is "for ever and ever" the same as "one thousand years"?

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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Look at the context of Revelation 11:15, in vs 18:

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.​

Did you see the spread and time of events? Do you understand the structure of Revelation? I do -

https://archive.org/download/michael-the-archangel-x-6-appendix-6-daniel-the-revelation-compared-7-branch-candlestick/Michael the archangel [X6] - Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared, 7 Branch Candlestick.pdf

Now, when will you address my texts, which I provided?

Read these please:

Jeremiah 4:23-28, 25:15-38;
Zephaniah 1:2-3,14-18;
Isaiah 2:6-22, 11:4, 24:1-6,17-22, 34:2-17.

You see in the Old Testament, the land was to rest every 7th year. When Judaea/Jerusalem refused to obey God's law of resting the land, God brought judgment upon them, and the land was to rest 70 years (see Jeremiah) and no one was to work it. In the final 1000 years, the entire earth will lie "desolate" for that time, with no human inhabitant, since they have broken the everlasting covenant and refuse to keep sabbath (even now).

Isa_24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.​

Now, go read the other Isaiah passages I just cited above, which result because of this rebellion to God's Law.

 

@Alofa Atu,
You are confused. The "forever and forever" are in the New Heaven and New Earth. Which comes after the Final Judgement, Revelation 20:11-15. Revelation 21.

 

Yes, I already know. You are confused about my position apparently.

 

John penned four books, lived longer than any apostles, and through his personal witness and teaching had effected folks living beyond the second century.

if one is to make excuse and not put trust in specific passages in which there is no reason to disturb the accuracy by reassignment to nebulous froth, then why should his other statements in the other books not be taken in such terms?

John taught the historical traditional pre-millennial views as did that great Bishop he personally schooled. EVERY Bible scholar of any credit does admit such as accurate.

I rarely use “Wikipedia” but this brief description of one alternative to the Apostle John’s teaching comes from the corrupt human motivation

At the time of the Counter-Reformation, the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar wrote a prominent preterist exposition of prophecy.[2][page needed][3] Moses Stuart noted in 1845 that Alcasar's preterist interpretation advantaged the Roman Catholic Church during its arguments with Protestants,[4] and Kenneth Newport in an eschatological commentary in 2000 described preterism as a Catholic defense against the Protestant historicist view which identified the Roman Catholic Church as a persecuting apostasy.[5]
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To those who espouse a covenant approach that disregards the traditional pre-millennial should remember that the pre-millennial view was the single hope, concept, and teaching until history events changed a few prominent Roman Catholic teachers such as Augustine.

Disappointment in what folks think should happen is one of the sneaky lies the enemy of believers uses to distract from the truth and reliability of the promises of God… the same lie used to trick Eve.