Featured Limited redeemed, not Limited redemption.

Not what I said.

 

Now that is just reading into the text what you want to see.
1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men,
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

So from the way you see it kings and those in authority are not part of ALL MEN. Really how does that work. The only way it would work is if you read into the text just as I have said.

But don't just take my word that you are reading into the text.

Charles Spurgeon on 1 Timothy 2:3-4
Salvation By Knowing the Truth,
The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, vol. 26
January 16th, 1880

What then? Shall we try to put another meaning into the text than that which it fairly bears? You must, most of you, be acquainted with the general method in which our older Calvinistic friends deal with this text. “All men,” say they,—”that is, some men”: as if the Holy Ghost could not have said “some men” if he had meant some men. “All men,” say they; “that is, some of all sorts of men”: as if the Lord could not have said “all sorts of men” if he had meant that. The Holy Ghost by the apostle has written “all men,” and unquestionably he means all men. I know how to get rid of the force of the “alls” according to that critical method which some time ago was very current, but I do not see how it can be applied here with due regard to truth. I was reading just now the exposition of a very able doctor who explains the text so as to explain it away; he applies grammatical gunpowder to it, and explodes it by way of expounding it. I thought when I read his exposition that it would have been a very capital comment upon the text if it had read, “Who will not have all men to be saved, nor come to a knowledge of the truth.” […] My love of consistency with my own doctrinal views is not great enough to allow me knowingly to alter a single text of Scripture. […] So runs the text, and so we must read it, “God our Savior; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
Does not the text mean that it is the wish of God that men should be saved? The word “wish” gives as much force to the original as it really requires, and the passage should run thus—”whose wish it is that all men should be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.” As it is my wish that it should be so, as it is your wish that it might be so, so it is God’s wish that all men should be saved; for, assuredly, he is not less benevolent than we are.

 

That is what your Calvinist theology requires. If they were not elected, as per Calvinism, then they are condemned before they are born. Calvinism is not a loving theological view.

 

I want a biblical theological view, not a feel good one.

 

2:4 who desires all people to be saved. This does not mean that God sovereignly wills every human being to be saved (i.e., that God saves or wishes to save everyone, since Rom. 9:18–24 says otherwise, and speaks of God’s “desire” in expressing His election and reprobation). It may refer to God’s general benevolence in taking no delight in the death of the wicked (Ezek. 33:11) or to God’s desire that all types of people (v. 1 note) be saved (i.e., God does not choose His elect from any single nationality, class, or other group).
R. C. Sproul, ed., The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust, 2015), 2156.

 

If you want a biblical theological view then you would not be a Calvinist would you.

 

I hold to the doctrines of grace because it is a biblical theological view. To say that everyone has equal opportunity for salvation is not biblical. Paul proves this in Romans. John writes about this when quoting Jesus words. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Christ died for everyone. It is not there. You will not find it. John 316 does not say it. The passages in Timothy and Peter do not say it. It is not there. The only way to get to that point is to add to what Scripture actually says. And not pay attention to what it really says.

 

Do you not know what desires means. God would like all people to be saved but knows that not all will trust in His son. That is so sad that you have such a low view of God. You think that God would rather send billions to hell when they could be saved. Rom 9:18-24 says nothing about Gods choice of who is saved but it does say He has patience even with those that reject Him. And why, because He desires that they turn and live. Eze 33:11 Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD , I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. God loves all of His creation not just a select few. as 1Ti 2:1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone--
The Calvinist theology is a soul crushing one. You have closed the door to heaven as soon as you think you have gotten in.

 

On the contrary, it is you that has a low opinion of God. In your view, God desires all men to be saved, but can't accomplish that. In my view, I believe that God is all powerful and those who he wants to have saved absolutely become saved because he is the one that does the saving, not them. I have a high view of God. God accomplishes exactly what he desires.

 

I truly feel sad for you. You want a God that shows limited love for a so called select few. That is not the God of the bible. If you want to see what God is like then look to Jesus.

Interpret the Bible Christologically, with Jesus Christ as the “touchstone” of biblical interpretation - because he is God incarnate and therefore above even The Bible as the supreme revelation of God.
Whatever in Scripture seems to conflict with God revealed in Jesus must be interpreted in light of God revealed in Jesus.

 

You require a God of power whereas I see a God that is love incarnate. We will never see eye to eye on these matters but I will pray that you do find your way back to the God of scripture.

 

again. What I want is a biblical view of God. The Bible does not say that God loves everyone equally. You do not see that anywhere. Not one time. What it does say is that there are some that God actually hates. There are some that will always be under the wrath of God. That is what the Bible states. Yes, God is love, but one of his attributes is also wrath. You cannot separate the two as you tried to do.

 

I see a God that is both powerful and God's love but you want to separate his attributes as if they don't all exist together. God is not just love.

 

Oh I know that God hates sin but what you fail to see or appreciate is that God is LOVE 1Jn_4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

God so loved the world that He laid down is life so that man could, through trust in Him, be saved. Yes God hates sin but He loves His creation more.

 

Well that is where we differ. When I read Joh 3:16 I see that God does indeed love all of His creation equally. and He desires that all would come to faith in His son 1Ti 2:3-4.

 

I agree He has both attributes but you want a God of power not love. Your comments make that very clear. When God condemns anyone it is not something He does with joy and it is not to glorify Himself.

 

that is not what the verse says.

 

Read Romans

 

Except that is not what either of those verses state. You add that in.

 

You make the same complaint that Paul addresses in Romans 9:19-24.

You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

 

You do understand comment don't you. That is what Christ Jesus has done for us.