Each Eschatological view.

The Jesuits launched the counter-reformation to deceive protestants into thinking the Antichrist is yet future. They (historic Protestants and some Catholics) believed the Papacy is the Antichrist from the 9th century on. This (the Jesuit lie to deceive them) became Dispensationalism after Darby and Schofield massaged it into that form.

But the Pharisees created Pre-Millennialism. Jesus refuted it in His gospel of the Kingdom as proclaimed in the gospels. But since the Kingdom is invisible and spiritual, all missed it looking for a physical political kingdom instead. So, many today side with the Pharisees expecting a literal physical kingdom of the future. BTW, the ancient church also condemned Premillennialism as heresy.

 

Use scripture to interpret scripture and it will clear things up for you. John says Revelation is a book of symbols. Have you seen any green horses or red dragons yet?

 

The Pharisees thought they walked with God too.

 

But they did not agree with Jesus. Do you believe the gospel of the Kingdom as He presented it? Show some of the verses from the gospels you agree with.

 

Sir … I recognize we have never been personally acquainted … but surely you can understand the answer to that basic question


Clearly your understanding of the Gospel is different from mine. What is also different is the way in which we would offer for consideration.

a man ought not think more of himself than he should. And everyone can learn something from everyone.

be humble and kind.

you may be precisely correct in your understanding but your hubris is repulsive.

you may not be precisely correct but your pride in your intellect may be an enormous block to your own sanctification.

I don’t know.

but I DO know your string of challenges here does not glorify anyone but yourself.

i will re read Jesus’ words about The Kingdom and see if there is any reason the 1000 years in Revelation cannot be a literal understanding … as we are able to see that Daniels 483 years was a literal fulfillment of THAT information regarding Christ.

let us not overlook the context from Creation … 6 days to Create. One to rest.

If a day is like 1000 years … and man was given 120 x 50 year periods … 6000 years of dominion over the planet.

1000 years remain for dominion by something/someone OTHER than mankind.

context of Creation (by Jesus) … reveals a 1000 year millennial reign before Satan is released only to be permanently “dispatched”

I try to be teachable in humility. Not my default mode. It isn’t yours either.

 

How about the rest?

 

There is no millennium according to Jesus. Scripture never mentions one. It's a Pharisee tradition Jesus refuted.

 

Because I want to continue to question my own stinking thinking, I searched The Word for passages where Jesus taught/described/presented “The Kingdom of God” ...

38 hits ... my search engine included OT and NT references. Those 37818 posted, too.

The closest I was able to find which would indicate there is NOT a literal 1000 year reign of earth by Jesus and His heirs was the exchange by Jesus & the Pharisees in Luke 17:20-21 ... that the Kingdom will not have signs to be observed. That the Kingdom is “in (their) midst” ... being Jesus Himself.

So ... how about a vector or two. Revelation 20 mentions a 1000 years 3 or 4 times ... Now, perhaps ... and I’m just throwing this out for (re)consideration ... perhaps the high frequency repetition of that phrase in a single chapter LITERALLY means 1000 years as we know a lap around the sun being a year.

 

People must get used to the idea that history & science are ruled by Scripture, & they go hand-in-hand.
And we see prophecy LITERALLY fulfilled all over.

"Futurism" is not dispensationalism, simple as THAT! We see prophecy LITERALLY fulfilled up to the point where the next major event will either be the coming of the beast/antichrist to power, or the Jews building their new temple in Jerusalem.

A recent fulfillment was that of Isaiah 19:17 where the land of Judah would become a terror to the Egyptians. After the last unsuccessful war Egypt participated in against Israel, they quaked in their fezzes every time a Jew racked his Uzi. Now, this has faded to the point where Israel & Egypt signed an economic agreement last year to the benefit of both nations.

Others are still being fulfilled, such as the trampling underfoot of Jerusalem by gentiles. J is home of the 2nd-holiest site in Islam, as well as several Christian sites visited daily by gentiles. And there are thousands of Palestinians living in J.

All the prophecies will be fulfilled literally in God's time.

 

he was premil though, as were the Apostles!

 

"Thousand years " is plainly written in several verses.

 

The thousand years provides a challenge. On the one hand, as you've said, it's written clearly in Revelation. On the other hand, if it hasn't happened yet, then the White Throne Judgment hasn't happened yet. If the White Throne Judgment hasn't happened yet, then the Resurrection hasn't happened yet. But if the Resurrection hasn't happened yet, then there are no saints in heaven, and none of the faithful departed have set foot in heaven yet. But that directly contradicts the earliest of Church teaching.

It's a noodle-scratcher for sure.

 

Certainly, Brother. I've always believed that Revelation contains a lot of symbolism, even when I was a Dispensationalist. Even during that time, I took the view that 1,000 was probably not literal just as we don't believe that God only owns the cattle on 1,000 hills. The "symbolic millennium" view became more solidified as I moved into the Partial Preterist view. Outside of Revelation 20, there are no references to this 1,000 years. I believe this 1,000 years symbolizes a long period of time that Satan's power was limited until the Gospel could spread. Hope that answered your question.

 

Thank you. If I may ask, what do you make of Revelation 20:2-10, where "1,000 years" appears six times?