Is Creation BY or THROUGH Jesus Christ?

[SavedByGrace]

Never even suggested what you posted here.

You said that the translators at a LATER time use the plural, when it is in the ORIGINAL HEBREW!

 

[AustinC]

"led the translators to later use the word “us” as in, “let “us” make man in “our” image.”

In case you can't read Hebrew, the words are PLURAL in the ORIGINAL, nothing to do with TRANSLATORS!

If the Hebrew is PLURAL, then all that can be used in ANY language, is PLURAL.

by LATER, it means that the ORIGINAL did not say that!

Can you get this?

Tell me, when was the Hebrew translated into English?
You're acting like a dog just looking for a fight when there is nothing to fight over. What is becoming clear is that you really don't understand what has been said. In essence, you are fighting with a boogeyman of your own making.

 

[agedman]

LOTS of UNBIBLICAL HERESY!

You are welcome to attempt to correct me with Scripture. I do my best to be open and responsive to correct error if I am shown from Scripture the error.

Now in these last few posts, I presented you with the Scripture foundation of which I posted.

Will you also give me the same courtesy as I have extended, in being open to admitting and correcting my error if shown by Scripture the error?

From another place I was in error concerning Luke 2. When politely shown, I quickly corrected my error, conformed to the Scriptures, and ask the original two postings containing error be removed that others will not be lead astray.

I have no problem “contending” over Scriptures, even sometimes sharply, and must with equal zeal be aware when shown by Scriptures to be corrected.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Tell me, when was the Hebrew translated into English?
Your acting like a dog just looking for a fight when there is nothing to fight over. What is becoming clear is that you really don't understand what has been said. In essence, you are fighting with a boogeyman of your own making.

Dude, it matter ZERO about our English languare, the HEBREW Original is PLURAL. Translators have nothing to do with that, they only gave us as it IS.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You are welcome to attempt to correct me with Scripture. I do my best to be open and responsive to correct error if I am shown from Scripture the error.

Now in these last few posts, I presented you with the Scripture foundation of which I posted.

Will you also give me the same courtesy as I have extended, in being open to admitting and correcting my error if shown by Scripture the error?

From another place I was in error concerning Luke 2. When politely shown, I quickly corrected my error, conformed to the Scriptures, and ask the original two postings containing error be removed that others will not be lead astray.

I have no problem “contending” over Scriptures, even sometimes sharply, and must with equal zeal be aware when shown by Scriptures to be corrected.

From what YOU have written, it seems to me, that you do not believe that God is One, and that there there are ONLY THREE distinct PERSONS? You speak of SEVEN Holy Spirit's, and the Bible says there is only ONE.

Ephesians 4:4, "There is one body and ONE SPIRIT"

 

[percho]

and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory! 1 Tim 3:16

Was it the heart and intent of God, the Word, manifested in flesh?

ἀλλ᾽ ἔρχεται ὥρα καὶ νῦν ἐστιν ὅτε οἱ ἀληθινοὶ προσκυνηταὶ προσκυνήσουσιν τῷ πατρὶ ἐν πνεύματι καὶ ἀληθείᾳ· καὶ γὰρ ὁ πατὴρ τοιούτους ζητεῖ τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας αὐτόν πνεῦμα ὁ θεός καὶ τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας αὐτὸν ἐν πνεύματι καὶ ἀληθείᾳ δεῖ προσκυνεῖν John 4:23,24
ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος ἰδού, ἄγγελος κυρίου κατ᾽ ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ λέγων, Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαβίδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν Μαριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου· τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ πνεύματός (in her generated? out of Spirit? Spirit the God of John 4:24?) ἐστιν ἁγίου (the Holy One?) Matt 1:20

How was the Word made flesh?

 

[agedman]

You said that the translators at a LATER time use the plural, when it is in the ORIGINAL HEBREW!

I agree it is in the Hebrew. I recall pointing it out.

Perhaps you didn’t comprehend or I didn’t write in a comprehendible style.

Elohim is plural, yet it was latter in the account the translators used the plural form.

The Genesis doesn’t open with the trinity being mentioned, but it is seen in the Hebrew narrative.

I’ve got no problem with the translators, if that is your focus. For God is one God.

The post concerned the trinity, which I thought was a part of the thread of “by” or “through” and “creation.”

 

[agedman]

From what YOU have written, it seems to me, that you do not believe that God is One, and that there there are ONLY THREE distinct PERSONS? You speak of SEVEN Holy Spirit's, and the Bible says there is only ONE.

Ephesians 4:4, "There is one body and ONE SPIRIT"

Did I not post the Scriptures accurately?

I am not disputing the is one Spirit, “another comforter” as Christ states.

However, God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is Spirit, and the Revelations declare what I posted.

Do I take your word for it or the Scriptures?

 

[SavedByGrace]

How was the Word made flesh?

By God the Holy Spirit, as the Bible says!

 

[percho]

Manifested.

he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

 

[agedman]

WHERE does it say that Jesus Christ was INVOLVED in His Conception? It is God the Holy Spirit Who was caused the Conception in Mary, as is clear from the verse you quote, and Matthew 1:18-20

The Word, Jesus Christ, BECAME FLESH in the womb of Mary, by the Power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not CAUSE His own Conception in Mary, it is the Holy Spirit

Perhaps you are of the sort that believe that Christ was a created being and not part of the Elohim of the OT?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Elohim is plural, yet it was latter in the account the translators used the plural form

This is not correct. The word Elohim is masculine plural, which is because GOD is a PLURALITY of PERSONS, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The use of the PLURAL in verse 26, for example, is because God is a PLURALITY of PERSONS, and The Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, are CREATORS. As is seen in the PLURAL "CREATORS" in Ecc. 12:1, and MAKERS in Isaiah, etc

 

[percho]

By God the Holy Spirit, as the Bible says!

Per OP

By or Out of and I am not speaking of essence but from.

In John 4 you have the Word made flesh, named Jesus, speaking of Spirit the God who he says is Father.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Did I not post the Scriptures accurately?

I am not disputing the is one Spirit, “another comforter” as Christ states.

However, God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is Spirit, and the Revelations declare what I posted.

Do I take your word for it or the Scriptures?

You said, "In the Revelation, the God (Father) Lord (Jesus) are shown as two, co equal along with the seven Spirits of God". This says to anyone who understands English, that God the Father and Jesus Christ are TWO, and then there are SEVEN SPIRITS, which makes NINE! You take the "seven Spirits" to mean "SEVEN HOLY SPIRITS", which is not correct. There is only ONE Person The Holy Spirit

 

[percho]

Is the devil still doing works or is he bound? Maybe asterisktom will check in.

 

[agedman]

it is your understanding of the Scriptures that is wrong. Are you saying that Jesus Christ is the Father? Are you saying that God the Father was born from Mary? Are you saying that God the Father died on the cross?

Jesus is refuting Philip, who supposed that the Father is somehow greater than Himself, and Jesus goes on to show their essential unity as in the Godhead, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves." (John 14:10-11)

Not that Jesus Christ is the identical Person as the Father, but their esential unity. Otherwise you are guilty of Unitarianism!

Again,

Jesus says to him, "Am I with you so long a time, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one having seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
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Never said they were the same person, yet they are for there is ONE God, is there not?

Like I posted early, the trinity really cannot be contain in human reasoning, and exampled by human descriptions.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Per OP

By or Out of and I am not speaking of essence but from.

In John 4 you have the Word made flesh, named Jesus, speaking of Spirit the God who he says is Father.

Huh?

Jesus Christ is saying in John 4:24, that GOD is Spirit, that is, a Spiritual Being, not seen by the human eye. This context is only about God the Father, and not Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Perhaps you are of the sort that believe that Christ was a created being and not part of the Elohim of the OT?

more nonsense! HOW can you say that I believe that Jesus Christ is a created being, when the OP shows that He is THE CREATOR?

ALL of my threads on here about the Trinity, shows that Jesus Christ is YHWH, as are the Father and Holy Spirit!

You cannot seem to understand what I wrote in the OP?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Jesus says to him, "Am I with you so long a time, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one having seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Not LITERALLY!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Is the devil still doing works or is he bound? Maybe asterisktom will check in.

is there any sin in this world?