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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jan 14, 2022.

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  1. percho

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    And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

    Could one see plurality in Abraham in this context?
     
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    Covid 19 :)
     
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    I suggest that you start a new thread on what you believe the Trinity to be, as this one is to show that Jesus Christ is THE Creator, as are the Father and Holy Spirit.
     
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    Then you need to explain the quote from Revelation.

    The problem is not with me. I am not refuting the trinity.

    However, just as the Hebrews did not comprehend the dual messianic prophecies (one concerning the king rule of the nations and the other the suffering messiah), once in a while the Scriptures present that which displays far more concerning the God then what some can discern.

    Examples of this are seen as the disciples interact with Christ, see his miracles, and attempt to come to terms with how the puzzle fits together.

    Paul said, “We know in part” and that condition continues until we are removed from the limitations of the flesh.

    But it does make for some great times in Worship Him privately.
     
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    Did I not present what the Scripture teaches concerning the creation, the trinity, the conception, ….?

    Just because you ran somewhat off the rails by making unfounded assumptions about my post does not mean that I was off topic.
     
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    And this is not essentially what I wrote?

    Yet, God is one, and we do not worship a plurality for Christians are not polytheistic, we worship God. Who manifested Himself as He decided through the Scriptures.

    It is not me that has a comprehension problem, at least not completely, though my wife would tell a different tale.
     
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    Really? You are you saying the Lord Jesus Christ didn’t say it, didn’t mean what was said, was presenting a myth, was exaggerating, or what?

    Was The Christ, “God manifested in the flesh” or not?
     
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    Okay, then why do you insist on using the name, YHWY, in an unbiblical manner?
     
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    I know.
     
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    YHWH is the NAME of the God of the Bible. It is used in the Bible for The Three Members of the Trinity
     
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    Only one of the names. But we know the trinity by the revelation of the NT, so even though one could speak of YHWH the Son, it is rightfully used alone in reference to God, the three Persons collectively, or of the Person of the Father.
     
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    God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, are ALL equally called YHWH in the OT!
     
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    Your theology seems to be questionable.
    Did Van say or suggest the Father is the "Primary" Member in the Godhead? Nope.

    What did Van say?
    Anyone who denies this truth needs to be specific. The Trinity doctrine is "One God in Three Persons.
     
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    Collectively, as I said, as we know through the NT. But you will find nowhere the Son alone, or the Spirit alone, is called YHWH.
     
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    Not correct.

    In 1 Corinthians 10:9, Paul says, "Nor let us tempt the Christ, as some of them also tempted Him and were destroyed by serpents". This is from Numbers 21:6, "And YHWH sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people. And many people of Israel died". This is clear that the YHWH in Numbers, is the Lord Jesus Christ.

    In Philippins 2:10-11, again we read, "that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. This is from Isaiah 45:23, "I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath". Which is about God/YHWH.

    In Isaiah 48:16, the Speaker is clearly YHWH, and He says that another, "YHWH Adoni", will send Him and the Spirit.

    2 Samuel 23:2,

    “The Spirit of the LORD spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue”.

    Here we have the Hebrew “דִּבֶּר־בִּי”, “Speaks by me”, which is in the masculine, singular. Also, “וּמִלָּתוֹ”, “His word”, is masculine singular, both referring to “רוּח”, “the Spirit”. The subject here is “רוּח”, Who spoke the very Words through David, as though the Spirit Himself was the Speaker. The words in verse 3, also are of the Holy Spirit, “The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God”. In this passage, we have the “Personality” and Deity of the Holy Spirit, where He is called Yahweh and Elohim.
     
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    you said,. "The Second Person of the Trinity accomplishes the purpose and plans of the First Person of the Trinity"

    This is UNBIBLICAL subordinationism!
     
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    see #76
     
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    Personal Incredulity (the "taint so" absurdity) is a fallacious argument.

    John 10:18
    “No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it back. This commandment I received from My Father.”

    John 10:37
    “If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
     
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    WHEN will you ever learn about the Incarnation???
     
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