Featured The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

We do experience the wages of sin (death), as we will physically die. All flesh will perish.

BUT per Scripture we are reborn in Christ (in Whom there is no condemnation). He is our assurance - not some theory about God punishing sin in Christ rather than punishing us but Christ Himself.

I understand my view is perhaps too simplistic for many. But it is biblical without the additions of Penal Substitution Theory.

 

On the basis of the Cross. There we see God's righteousness manifested not through the law (Penal Substitution Theory) but apart from the law. Man must die to the flesh. Flesh must perish. We must be born again, born of the Spirit.

Forgiveness means that we are not condemned. You do not have to strike somebody in order to forgive me for striking you.

The idea that God is unable to forgive except He exercise punishment is foreign to Scripture. It is a failed secular judicial philosophy the Penal Substitution Theory imposes onto God.

 

On the basis of the Cross.

 

Scripture answers this, but the answer is so simple many (even Christians) will see it as foolish because it does not conform to the wisdom of the World (which demands secular justice be dished out). One must die and be born again, made a new creation in Christ (in Whom there is no condemnation).

Scripture really makes sence without adding the secular philosophy of Penal Substitution Theory. But it is far to simple for many to believe.

 

Are you not aware that Jesus died for our sins, bore our sin in His body?

 

No. Jesus had to become a life giving Spirit (1 Cor 15:45). We must be born again, born of the Spirit, made a new creation in Christ. Our flesh is not redeemed. It will die and we must die to the flesh.

 

1 Corinthians 15:42–47 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.

 

Yes. This is basic Christianity. Jesus died and was physically resurrected. We do not know what our bodies will be like, but we will be like Him.

 

Do ypu know of a passage that states Jesus experienced God's wrath?

Do you know of a passage that states God punished Jesus instead of punishing us?

Don't give me a passage and then say "that us what it really means". Show me a passage stating those things. You can't because they don't exist, which is why Penal Substitution Theory is relatively new to Christianity.

 

Very good passage. I'm not exactly sure why you choose bits and pieces....or really why you posted it.

Christians, regardless of their view of the Atonement, believe Christ was set forth by God as a propitiation, theough faith, to demonstrate His righteousness because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Of course, this has nothing to do with the reason Penal Substitution Theory is a false doctrine. The reason the Theory is false is it dismisses Scripture as too simple and adds to the Bible.

Nowhere in Scripture is Christ said to have taken on God's wrath. It simply is not there. Nowhere is God said to punish Christ instead of punishing us.

But I know you will post passage after passage, none of them saying Christ experienced divine wrath or that God punished Christ instead of us. And that's fine. I like reading passages on this topic.

And to be fair, I know you really see Penal Substitution Theory in those passage, even though it is not in the actual text. I understand it is very difficult to set aside our traditions, opinions, and presuppositions. But I sincerely believe that if you are able then you will see that Scripture stands on its own.

Sometimes the simplest answer, the plain teachings of Scripture, is exactly enough.