Does God ordain the persecution of Christians?
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DGOETTP part two
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In other words, He planned for it.
Genesis 3:15
Eternally Grateful
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Planning for something he knows that will happen is far different than saying that was the purpose of creation.
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SavedByGrace
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What think ye?
Did God ordain the total distruction of the Jewish nation following the distruction of the temple in 60AD?
Of course!
Christ even told that it would take place!
The question isn't actually what God would allow or even ordain (if one chooses a word), but why wouldn't He?
The whole world is in rebellion toward Him, and especially the Christ.
Had it not been for WWII, there would be not Israel in 1948.
God said He would put a hook in their mouth and bring them back into the land.
What fish likes the hook?
But that hook certainly accomplished the intent and has set the stage for the end of the gentile age.
God did and does.
For the Apostle even states that we are as sheep heading to slaughter every day, did he not?
Christ said, that if the world hated and persecuted Him, we would not escape, either.
If one doesn't have persecution, then they aren't a child, for the Scriptures state that every child of God is disciplined by Him, pruned that they might bear more fruit.
I'm asking you.
If He knew it would happen, was it possible that it wouldn't?
Eternally Grateful
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So that's a no. It is not possible that it would be different. Ergo, it was part of His plan.
Another question: How far back in eternity did God know this?
15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3
You done gave away the answer!
SavedByGrace
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SavedByGrace
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God ALLOWS
God sends.
SavedByGrace
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sends what?
Prior to 1948 there was not one.if this destruction was TOTAL, then how comes there is a Jewish Nation today?
In 1948, the nation of Israel was created by the other nations of the world and recognized by the United Nations.
Immediately the Arab nations raced to battle against the new nation. The Arabs were defeated.
Again, they tried in the 1960's, and again failed, and Israel captured all of Jerusalem, including the temple mount in which they allow the Arabs occupation with the stipulation that Israeli's may journey to the temple sight.
The Egyptian leader (Sadat) signed a peace accord with Israel, and it cost him his life.
But, Israel continues to this day, and the former President moved the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and further solidified the Nation of Israel's legal existence. That which had been denied for well over two millennia.
Prior to WWII, the Jews of all nations were very content to reside were they were.
Though they were well established, especially in the areas in which Germany conquered, by the time WWII was finished, most of those that remained searched for a new homeland. They had experienced the depravity and were unwilling to live in bondage again, and they were no longer divided by tribe but a single body.
One disappointing item. Those who were not in the concentration camps (such as freedom fighters, those that hid...) did not and do not receive the social benefits and support that those in the concentration camps and immigrated to Israel did receive from the Israeli government.
Very good and what is inclusive in that, exactly?
Where wast thou when I founded earth? Declare, if thou hast known understanding. Who placed its measures -- if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched out upon it a line? On what have its sockets been sunk? Or who hath cast its corner-stone? In the singing together of stars of morning, And all sons of God shout for joy, Job 38:4-7
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. Isa 45:18
Where was the devil, when that above was taking place. When did the following take place?
Rev 12:7-9 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, and they did not prevail, nor was their place found any more in the heaven; and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called 'Devil,' and 'the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Gen 1:2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,
Had it already been foreordained the Christ would shed his precious blood for redemption. Does that mean the Christ would die the death? Die? Would that require the sin? How would the Christ be manifested in order to die? What would be needed to destroy the works of the devil and even the devil himself who had the power of the death?
Man made in the image of his Creator, woman taken from the man so there would be seed of the woman, the sin in the world (Kosmos) resulting in the death?
What was, the old serpent, doing in the garden, the God planted and where the God placed the man He had created in his image?
Why, the seed of the woman?
and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, From Heb 2:9
2:14 Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through the death he might destroy him having the power of the death -- that is, the devil --
Remember Jesus Christ, raised out of the dead, of the seed of David, according to my good news, 2 Tim 2:8
and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ; Gal 3:16