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You are dancing around the meaning of words. The whole sacrificial system was based on substitution.

The person placed his hand on the animals head, symbolically transferring sin/guilt to the animal. The animal was killed as a substitute for the person, symbolizing the punishment for sin had been paid temporarily, appeasing God’s wrath in judgment.

The entire sacrificial system was a shadow of the sacrifice Christ made for us. It was the symbol and Christ was the substance.

Your disregard for what is clearly taught in scripture, PSA, demeans the work of Christ on the cross and robs Him of His glory.

I understand you disagree. I simply cannot understand how you can redefine words and scripture to disregard what is taught and embrace what is not.

peace to you

 

This is exactly what @JonC and I are also doing.

We would that Scripture be the total focus, and all understanding come from there.

You and I may disagree, but if we both cling to the Scriptures then the Holy Spirit will convict and convince as necessary.

As our Lord expressed to the religious righteous of that time, you search the Scriptures and they speak of me. (my paraphrased version).

 

Not true. The whole sacrificial system was based upon satisfaction.

Not a single offering could be presented that was not pleasing to the God of the tabernacle/temple. If He wasn't satisfied, the sacrifice was worthless.

This is one area that demonstrates how poorly PSA represents the Scripture truth.

Certainly the "entire sacrificial system was a shadow of Christ, and even the yet to be fulfilled prophecies ultimately concern Him.

However, Hebrews presents:

11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
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I don't read anything concerning substitution in this passage that is directly related to your presentation.

What can be seen is the matter of the satisfaction "by means of His own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption."
What can be seen is that the blood offered without blemish to God also purifies our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Not substitution, but satisfaction. No exchange was made as one giving and receiving, but a matter of transference in which satisfaction brought eternal redemption.

 

It is ok, Salty.

The pathway to find Scripture understanding is often littered with some claims that may not be worded just right.

You are welcome to join in and provide Scripture for your own thinking.

 

Isaiah 53

 

It's a disregard. A willful rejection of customary usage, and the assigning of arbitrary meanings in direct contradiction to the message of the Scriptures.

 

Here you say Christ is not our substitute, and in other places you say He is. Do you really know what you think about this?


The Bearer of Sin and Guilt

And the animal WAS the exchange. It was accepted either has a holy thing, and burned on the altar, or it was rejected from the altar as an unclean thing and burned on the ground. In either case, the animal was the substitute for the Israelite.

 

If redemption was not made. This would be impossible.

Lets discuss redemption and justification apart from the sin debt being paid.

The word trinity is not in scripture. Yet I pray you believe in the trinity.

 

The penalty of sin is DEATH

the gift of God is life.

How can the gift be given if the penalty is not redeemed.

 

Yes...sadly this appears to be the case.

 

Correct.
The redeemer bought us by paying the price of our sin as our substitute.

 

So...the Passover is pagan?

 

I think I understand what you are saying. I don't know if God was filled with wrath toward Jesus. I doubt He was.
The imagery of the Passover is that the father takes a beloved and pure lamb, which the family loved, and slits its throat. He takes the blood, which keeps the death angel from killing. The family eat the lamb and prepare for the wilderness. Jesus, clearly explained that he is that Lamb which is slain when he had the last supper with his disciples.
Exodus 12:3-13
Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month every man shall take a lamb according to their fathers’ houses, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbor shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats, and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight. “Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it. They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat any of it raw or boiled in water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts. And you shall let none of it remain until the morning; anything that remains until the morning you shall burn. In this manner you shall eat it: with your belt fastened, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. And you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord’s Passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the Lord. The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt.