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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AustinC, Mar 9, 2022.

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  1. SovereignGrace

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    He is forever sinless, even when He was alive on earth as a man. I am saying His blood was exactly like ours. Is our blood pure and holy?
     
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    Do you have Scripture to support that Christ did not I impute people’s sin?
    How are you defining impute?

    Are you assuming an economic, legal, cultural, … basis?

    I am not asking out of avoidance, except to avoid misconceptions.

    So is there a Scripture in mind?
     
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    Was there a transference of His ppl’s sins unto Himself?
     
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    Not in the slightest; however, the Scriptures state that “life is in the blood.”


    Our Redeemer being the Fullness of God, was the life giver.

    The scriptures state, His blood cleanses us from all sin.”

    Because the unclean cannot clean, the it stands that the blood of the Savior, though functional and in appearance as all human blood, was indeed both pure and holy, just as that of the first Adam prior to sin.
     
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    No doubt, and neither @JonC or I have disputed such transference.


    I have posted multiple times concerning the word “substitution” as not nearly as accurate as transferring.
     
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    So, we both agree there was an imputation of His elect ppl’s sins unto Himself.

    Now, what does imputation actually teach?
     
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    You are putting mystical properties upon His blood. Those Romans who came into contact with His blood would’ve been cleansed from their sins if your view is correct.
     
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    I have (depending on context). I said Scripture does not present God transferring sins from us in the sence of substitution.

    But in the sence God laid our sins upon Christ - I agree that is biblical (they are our sins, not His).
     
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    Not true for they were not the mercy seat.

    Hebrews tells exactly what happened to the blood of our Lord. It was taken to the temple not made with hands and there presented by Christ.

    You desire to attach the "mystical properties" I merely present it as pure and holy.
     
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    What would that be in CST?

    5:30?

    Don't forget to jump forward for tomorrow is an Hour earlier.

    I wonder if the Rapture occurs at the exact moment of the time jump, will some be an hour late or an hour early?
     
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    So, the blood that Christ shed, that fell to the ground, He then took to the Father?
     
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    Did you look up Hebrews?
    Here it is for you to look through:
    Hebrews 9:
    6These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9(which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.

    11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

    15Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. 16For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

    23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.


    Ok, does this help?

    The crucifixion was a tool used by God to bring reconciliation (as Paul preached) and such was not concerning the earthy temporary copy, but the very eternal presence of God.

    God working out our total salvation by His own authority for His glory, needed no wrath to complete.
     
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    Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.[Hebrews 9:23-28 NASB]

    Show me where it says Christ presented His blood unto His Father. It says He presented Himself. You’re doing eisegesis here.
     
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