1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured help.....I need to understand this....

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by timdabap, Mar 13, 2022.

Top Posters
Page 4 of 4
  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    17,828
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You simply dismiss.
    And so responded,
    The D. A. Carson in his commentary on John (page 469) makes the point that the reading "being ended" the Greek could be interperted, "had just been served."

    Now γενομενου in this form is used 8 times in the New Testament and the only time it is translated "being ended" is John 13:2.

    Two facts from Luke 20:19-21. Jesus instituted the remembrance "after the supper." And Judas was at the remembrance. So John 13:2 being translated "being ended" would be correct.

    Making the reading to be "during" because of John 13:4 and Jesus giving Judas some dipped bread to go out in John 13:26 is supposing a difficulty where here really is not one. Furthermore as I pointed out John 13:23 is referred to as taking palce at "the supper" per John 21:20.

    There are actually 4 textual variants for John 13:2.
    The majority text, γενομενου being 99.5% of the manuscripts of John.
    P66 reading which has a spelling error, γεναμενου.
    The reading translated "during," γινομενου, 0.3% of the readings.
    And the the other reading claimed to be the same reading as γινομενου, γεινομενου.
     
    #61 37818, Mar 18, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2022
  2. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2018
    Messages:
    5,980
    Likes Received:
    1,364
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Because we as men are still responsible to do as He commands, even though we will not ( Romans 1:18-32 ).
     
    #62 Dave G, Mar 20, 2022
  3. timdabap

    timdabap Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2022
    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    25
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The question still remains: Do DEAD men know their house is burning and it's their responsibility to get up and get out? Can the dead rise on their own ? Can a bulb light up a room if there's no power coursing through to the wire and to the switches ? Or can a lamp spread light unless someone takes fire to the wick ? can the wick in an of itself be able to light up unless somebody first fill the lamp with oil ? Can a God who is Omniscient require action of someone He knows is incapable of that which He requires unless He first quicken that someone ?
     
    #63 timdabap, Mar 20, 2022
  4. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2018
    Messages:
    5,980
    Likes Received:
    1,364
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Does this not answer the question?

    Romans 1:18-32
    John 3:19-20.
    John 5:40.
    No.
    Yes, but the incapability is an unwillingness.
    Mankind is responsible to repent...we just won't.

    That is the "inability" or "incapability".

    The Lord is fully within His right to command something of rebellious sinners that He knows they will not do.
     
    #64 Dave G, Mar 20, 2022
  5. timdabap

    timdabap Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2022
    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    25
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Where is the responsibility, command, or call, to repent ?
    That Scripture is a description of man's total depravity and the actions springing from that.
    Just another confirmation from the Creator's mouth, that man is dead in sin and trespasses. No light in them.
     
    #65 timdabap, Mar 20, 2022
  6. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2018
    Messages:
    5,980
    Likes Received:
    1,364
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Specifically to Israel:

    "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
    15 and saying    , The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." ( Mark 1:14-15 ).

    Matthew 3:2
    Matthew 4:17

    Pertaining to all men:

    Acts of the Apostles 17:22-31.
    Take a look at Romans 1:18-20, with the plain statements of the Godhead being clearly understood, so that we are without excuse.
    That is why we are responsible.
    I agree, and it is also a condemnation from the Lord for the reason...
    That we will not come to Him, lest our deeds should be reproved.

    It's a heart issue, and one that we are willfully stuck in.
     
    #66 Dave G, Mar 21, 2022
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 4 of 4
Loading...