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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Aaron, Mar 22, 2022.

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  1. atpollard

    atpollard Well-Known Member

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    Yes … and more.
     
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  2. Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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    Ah, got it.

    We are testifying that we are Saved by Christ's death, burial and resurrection.

    Baptism symbolized that we are buried in the water and rise out of it as Christ did before us.

    Christ was fully immersed in His tomb, so should we be in water IMO.
     
    #22 Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin, Mar 22, 2022
  3. Aaron

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    Would you say that we are testifying to the fact that we are crucified and buried with Him? Not that He merely represented us, but that He carried us through the judgment of God and rose us up to new life?
     
    #23 Aaron, Mar 22, 2022
  4. Aaron

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    Every Baptist church does. That's why there is so much focus on the mode. They want the act to resemble the testimony as much as possible.

    This is fairly comprehensive, but accurate.

    When you say union with Christ in His death, would you say that we are in essence testifying that we indeed were crucified and buried with Christ, and are raised with Him?

    That He died in our place?
     
    #24 Aaron, Mar 22, 2022
  5. Aaron

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    What do you think it means to identify with Him in His crucifixion, death and burial?
     
    #25 Aaron, Mar 22, 2022
  6. Aaron

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    Right, the act of baptism testifies of something, it's not the thing itself.

    What it is itself is the initiatory rite into the church. No one can be considered to be a member of the body of Christ until he is baptized (even though he is a member in truth). But we're saying something by baptism. Not merely that we've taken on His yoke, but His identity. We're saying that we are in Him. Really in Him, like Noah was in the Ark.

    So His death is our death, the rightful death of our old man. And His life is our life, the reward of His righteousness.
     
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    Well since we only control our water baptism it’s that

    God controls the Spiritual Union w Christ in our Spiritual baptism which is the new birth
     
    #27 Marooncat79, Mar 23, 2022
  8. Squire Robertsson

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    Back in Baptist Polity class at MBBC as taught by the late Richard Weeks, we learned that a valid baptism had these factors:
    Proper Meaning (It's symbolic and not salvic)
    Proper Mode (Immersion only)
    Proper Administrator (as authorized by a local church)​
     
    #28 Squire Robertsson, Mar 23, 2022
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    You are obfuscating by trying to change the subject.

    It is as if Calvinists deny all born anew believers have been spiritually baptized into Christ.
     
    #29 Van, Mar 23, 2022
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    Seems that Paul was teaching a link to Psa right in the water baptism!
     
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  11. Aaron

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    Exactly. That we are baptized into His death. He is not merely our representative. He is our substitute. A universal, non-optional Baptist principle.
     
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  12. atpollard

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    They taught that, and I lean strongly towards agreement. Recently, I have had the EXACT wording of scripture rubbed in my nose and have to admit that the Word is clear that we are forgiven BECAUSE of His death, and our SINS were placed on Him … but we are forced to “connect the dots” to reach the exact conclusion that he died in our place.

    It begs the question whether the Levitical lamb “died in anyone’s place” or served some other purpose. That sort of feels like I am getting too much into God’s business (how and why He forgives).
     
    #32 atpollard, Mar 23, 2022
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    In our baptism, we are in essence laying our hands on the head of the sacrifice.
     
    #33 Aaron, Mar 24, 2022
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    Ironically, like everything we (people) do that would seem only a "half-truth".

    On the one hand, the "old man" (flesh) is dead, so it applies symbolically.
    On the other hand, by the time one has been drawn and repented and is being baptized "to receive the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2) ... has the sacrifice not already been slain just to get you that far? So as usual, men are "a day late and a dollar short" of God's reality. :)
     
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    Yes.

    That's also a Baptist distinctive. The rites are symbols, not the reality itself.

    But symbols of something specific. It means something to be baptized into Christ's death, and there can be no fundamental disagreement over that meaning, and still be considered a Baptist.

    So, I'll repeat the question I asked in another thread.

    Is this any longer a Baptist board when a moderator openly declares the meaning of the baptism to be false?
     
    #35 Aaron, Mar 25, 2022
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    Did you report this to the Admin Team?
     
    #36 Squire Robertsson, Mar 25, 2022
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    How do I do that?
     
    #37 Aaron, Mar 25, 2022
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    Below the comment block on the left-hand side is a line of buttons. Edit delete and report. Or PM me.
     
    #38 Squire Robertsson, Mar 25, 2022
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    What posting was that?
     
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  20. Aaron

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    That's JonC of late. Saying He we were not with Him on the Cross. That He was not in our place.
     
    #40 Aaron, Mar 25, 2022
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