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Your gong is clanging.
I have addressed the Sovereignty of God.
Your version of Sovereignty makes God a liar, which is why I reject your false teaching. Moreso, you attempt to diminish God and make God your servant to whom you dictate the function of the covenant.
In whole, you have a very low view of God and a very high view of self.

 

Well as I have said before and it still holds true if you want to limit God, which you do even though you will deny this, then that is your right. What I have said is not another gospel but you will insist that it is.

I trust the sovereign creator God to do as He pleases in who and how He saves. You just do not like that idea as it does not fit with your calvinist theology.

 

Thought I would save myself some typing and just do a copy paste.

Your gong is clanging.
I have addressed the Sovereignty of God.
Your version of Sovereignty makes God a liar, which is why I reject your false teaching. Moreso, you attempt to diminish God and make God your servant to whom you dictate the function of the covenant.
In whole, you have a very low view of God and a very high view of self.

Austin the theology has to many holes it it to hold water. You think it is good I do not.

 

As I said we will disagree on any things and that is to be expected. If I thought that my understanding was wrong then I would change it but as I have said and shown God saves those that trust in Him. It is the condition of the heart that matters not the words.

 

No that is where you are wrong. Nothing I believe limits God except for limits that GOD has put on himself.

No we do not deny 1 Timothy or Romans 10:13. These are more strawman argument.s

 

the gospel of Christ has never been a mystery. Not knowing Jesus name and when He would come is not the same as the gospel of Christ being a mystery.

 

Then you must be comfortable with the contradiction. Your DoG and 1Ti 2:3-4 and Rom 10:13 can not both be true.

 

Of course they can. And they are.

 

How so? It would seem to me that one says man has a free will and the DoG says man does not.

 

And there you go with the strawman arguments again and you get really confused on what free will is, and what it is not. You keep arguing for what I call absolute free will. Meaning free will with nothing to impede it. But that is not reality. Our will is impeded by, hindered by, captive by, our sin. This results in people being free to choose their desires. As a Calvinist, I do not dispute that one single bit. Anybody is free to choose what they desire. The question is, what do people desire? Nobody desires God. That is what Scripture states. Nobody does good. That is what Scripture states. I understand you don't agree with that. That's fine. But you can't say Calvinists don't believe in free will just because it doesn't fit whatever definition you put on that free will. When I look at the will, I look at reality. Our will is free within certain parameters. That parameter is the reality of our sinful condition.

 

Free will is having a choice between doing it or not. A choice between either or. Im sorry but trying to make a case for free will by saying we only choose what we desire and then only having the ability to desire one option is not in any way free will. Not even close.

 

One of the marks of being human is that God has given us the ability to choose. Some may refer to this as the power of choice, but no matter how you define it, we all have a free will.

When you look at what the Bible says about free will, you discover that we have the right and the ability to choose the direction we will go and what we will do. This power to choose is not something that should be considered lightly, because what comes along with the power to choose is the reality there are consequences for your choices.

I really do not understand why some believe we have no free will, when in the Word of God Jesus asks people do you believe? (Joh_11:25-26, Joh_16:31, Mat_9:28)

If your will makes no difference then why would Jesus ask them anything?? (Rom_10:17) Choice has always been in God's order!(Jos_24:15) If you cannot choose, why does Jesus send out disciples to preach the good news for you to decide?

What would be the point of Jesus doing anything. If all was predestined

The model Lords prayer has the phrase: "Lead us not into temptation..." No matter the context, wouldn't that mean that we have a choice?

You say I keep arguing for absolute free will
absolute free will is the ability to have wilfully chosen otherwise for any previous decision. Daniel Miessler
This is the type of free will that is required for true moral responsibility. In short, if someone could not have made a wilful choice to do otherwise than they did, then they cannot be held responsible for what they did do.

So if we go by your logic man can not be held responsible for his sins, so who is? God or man?

By the way I do not like the term "absolute free will" man either has a free will or he has no free will.

 

I mean if you want to ignore reality that is fine but that doesn't change reality. And yes, that is the free will of REALITY. Not absolute free will that you seem to want to so desperately have which does not exist.

 

More strawman arguments.

 

It does exist. Every day we have multiple options on a great many things. Without multiple options there is no choice and there is no free will.

 

That is not an answer is it? Answer the post. It is a fair question that you should be able to respond to.

 

And I have never said there were no options to choose from.

 

Never said we do not have the ability to choose. That is why this is a strawman argument.

Again, who said we cannot choose? Not me. I said we WILL NOT choose. There is a difference.

You have to define what you mean when you say free will. When I say absolute free will I mean a will that has no external influences and the choice between two options is equal. But that isn't reality. That is my point. Our will IS influenced by external factors. So it freely chooses what it desires. Unregenerate man always desires sin. Never seeks God. Never chooses God.