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Which is Paul’s point. The “works of the law” were not available to Abraham.

peace to you

 

nothing in this post is contrary to my post. You make up your own definition of works apart from scripture then try to hold everyone else to that definition and pretend that God said it.

 

No. The Apostle's point was no one is justified by means of one's works. Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23.

 

So according to your understanding of Scripture how is belief different from a work? What does Scripture define a work as?

 

sigh i already told you go back and read my post

 

NPP redefines Pauline Justification as stating to us that Paul was not addressing how a lost sinner gets justified and saved by God, but how they are to be identified once already saved, so really another Gospel!

 

Romans 10:9-17. Confession with the mouth is a work.

 

that verse doesn't say its a work.

 

So because Mark 16:16 doesn't say baptism is a work . . . . It is not a work?

 

It doesn't matter. Regardless of if it is a work or not its not required for salvation. Don't need that argument to prove its not required. In fact its a bad argument to make. It can be proven that it is not required for salvation without it. That said it is irrelevant to your made up definition of work.

 

Prove I am wrong. Merely saying I am making up what a work is does not make it so. Certain Calvinists what to claim if belief is a prerequisite for salvation that makes such a belief to be believing in a works salvation.

 

Note you are charging me with a false charge as the verse says what I said it says. But did you address that? Nope.

When God says three things, each one of them is true.

But rather than admit you deny what scripture says, you complain I did not address the whole verse, but just the point at issue. Pathetic.

 

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

You are making up a distinction non-existent in reality. God's word says faith provides our access into the grace in which we stand. That means our faith (if credited by God) causes us to have access to His grace. In other contention is false doctrine.

 

You can run but you cannot hide:

Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we also have obtained our introduction [or access] by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we celebrate in hope of the glory of God.

You do not go "into this grace in which we stand" by being already within God's grace.

As far as your unreferenced claim faith is the result of God's grace in choosing the person for salvation, that once again is the opposite of what scripture teaches, and I will reference 2 Thessalonians 2:13 which says [in part] we are chosen "through faith in the truth." Thus, if you accept scripture means what it says, then our faith preceded being chosen for salvation.

The fact God's unmerited favor continues after salvation is not an issue.

 

I am not making anything up. Belief in God's grace is not a work. Grace is not merited. Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:2-5, Romans 11:6.

 

You are making up a distinction non-existent in reality. God's word says faith provides our access into the grace in which we stand. That means our faith (if credited by God) causes us to have access to His grace. In other contention is false doctrine.

No need to change the subject, no one said or suggested God's grace is a work. No one said Grace is merited. Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:2-5, Romans 11:6 are non-germane to the actual issue.

You claim our faith, if credited by God, does not provide access into God's saving grace. Scripture says otherwise. That is the issue.

 

False.

 

Very good counter to NT Wright view here
https://document.desiringgod.org/the-future-of-justification-en.pdf?ts=1446648273

 

You can post taint so till the cows come home, God's word repudiates your bogus view. God's word says faith provides our access into the grace in which we stand. That means our faith (if credited by God) causes us to have access to His grace. In other contention is false doctrine.

No need to change the subject, no one said or suggested God's grace is a work. No one said Grace is merited. Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:2-5, Romans 11:6 are non-germane to the actual issue.

You claim our faith, if credited by God, does not provide access into God's saving grace. Scripture says otherwise. That is the issue.