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That verse is not the point: they cannot be removed. That verse just states Jesus will not remove them. Can Jesus remove a name or not? Are you saying many names were never even written?


Because if names are never written that means you think like a Calvinist that God only wrote some names.


The book is sealed. Revelation 5:1-7

"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

You interpret that as constantly being written to. I interpret that as written before creation and sealed. It was never edited nor written in since before humans were created. It is still sealed until the Second Coming. The Second Coming is the opening of the 6th Seal.

Moses knew his name could not be removed until the book was opened. All I can think is that Armenians say names are constantly being written to this book, and that is an erroneous interpretation. Names will be removed starting at the 1st Trumpet all the way up until the GWT. Then all those who have been in sheol for near 7,000 years will be removed. Unless they remain and granted that blessed first resurrection and given eternal life. Revelation 4:5-6

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,"

Even after 1,000 years it is a first resurrection, and those who would live again remain in the Lamb's book of life, and are not cast into the LOF. The Lamb's book of life was sealed during all of the 6,000 years of Adam's punishment. No one could be removed until the 7th Seal was removed. Those in sheol will be removed at the GWT. Because they have to wait as dead just like those verses claim.

The point is all names were written of every one ever conceived in the womb. Then the book was sealed. No name was ever added after the book was sealed. After the 1st Trumpet, names start dropping out like flies. The goats, the tares, then all who receive the mark. God is removing them and declaring He never knew them.

 

Then tell me how the OT humans are not relative to this Lamb's book of life?

And you completely ignore this Scripture:

 

Not written does not mean never had been written. Exodus 32:32-33, Psalms 69:27-28, Revelation 3:5, Mark 10:14-15, Revelation 20:15. Ephesians 1:4, ". . . According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world. . . ."

 

I have not read it or I do not recall your argument. You have never made your argument to me.

 

So then you can completely ignore the fact Moses knew about the book, and the Lord said He would remove all those names from the Lamb's book of life, who have sinned against the Lord.

That is between you and God now. Your continual attacks on my post are meaningless.

You do not claim there was one book in the OT and another in the NT. You claim only one book that has never been sealed. You do not recognize that the 7 seals will open the Lamb's book of life. No names have been added nor removed, from before Moses' time. You accuse me of stating points I have never stated.

This generation is the end of the age. The Second Coming could happen at any moment. God's sovereign Grace has allowed the church to continue bringing in a bountiful harvest some where on earth. Or more names would soon be removed once that 7th Seal is opened.

 

I agree, mostly. But He is not only the Son, but the only begotten son. So the Son does proceed from the Father. And that's where the discussion stops. God is not a man, so we need to stop applying our carnal understandings to the dynamic here.

 

What does it mean to be a Father?

 

Your claim about Exodus 32:31-33 is nonsense.

The Lamb's book of life is currently sealed. You refuse to make a stand on when it was sealed. God was the Lamb slain before creation. Time is not a factor to God, yet you define God in a limited way, as one day in 30AD upon a Cross as Jesus Christ. Thus your refusal to accept when the Lamb's book of life was sealed.

 

It means Christ's Sonship is not a doctrine extracted merely from some Greek word. It is also in the title of the First Person in the Trinity.

Christ is the Son of Someone, meaning His essence has a source (not a beginning), and that Someone is the Father.

 

It's not a mistranslation, but we can say "only Son" if you wish. It doesn't change the meaning at all. We know that the Sonship of Christ is distinct from the sonship of Adam, and of the angels, if indeed the term 'sons of God' refers to angels in some places.

He is the only Son of the Father.

And He said elsewhere, "I proceeded forth and came from God," John 8:42 , meaning begotten, not sent. His being sent is described in the next phrase.

Anyway your limiting His Sonship to only the sense of an emissary, is ... how did you say it? ... Ah, yes. Pure falsehood from A to Z.

 

He is the Son of David only by His human nature, by which we know Him no more. 2 Corinthians 5:16

 

Job 38:1-7, ". . . Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, . . . Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. . . . all the sons of God shouted for joy? . . ."