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Yep!

 

And? For example, what does it mean to you that ἔγγυος. is a hapax legommenon?

 

And you studied at Bible College? Fascinating!
The fact that ἔγγυος appears only once in the NT is important because we have no other usage of the word to compare with the one in Hebrews 7.
Therefore it is necessary to look at the usage outside of the NT. There is a lovely illustration of what it means to be a surety in Genesis 43:8-9. 'Then Judah said to Israel his father, "Send the lad [Benjamin] with me, and we will arise and go, that we may live and not die, both we and you and also our little ones. I myself will be surety for him; from my hand you will require him. If I do not bring him back to you and set him before you, then let me bear the blame forever."' And Judah was faithful to his agreement. When Joseph's cup was found in Benjamin's sack, Judah was ready to offer his life for his brother's, his flesh for Benjamin's. "For your servant became surety for the lad to my father, saying, 'If I do not bring him back to you, then I shall bear the blame before my father forever.' Now therefore, please let your servant remain instead of the lad as a slave to my Lord, and let the lad go up with his brothers" Genesis 44:32-33). As a surety, Judah had to do whatever was necessary to restore Benjamin to his father, even to his own ruin. So we find it in various places in Proverbs, for example: 'He who is surety for a stranger will suffer' (Proverbs 11:15).

ἔγγυος also appears in the Apocrypha. In writing this, I am not at all ascribing infallibility to the Apocrypha, merely pointing out how the word ἔγγυος was used around 200 BC.
Sirach 29:14-18, NRSV. 'A good person will be surety for his neighbour, but the one who has lost all sense of shame will fail him. Do not forget the kindness of you guarantor, for he has given his life for you. A sinner wastes the property of his guarantor, and the ungrateful person abandons his rescuer.
Being surety has ruined many who were prosperous, and has tossed them about like waves of the sea; it has driven the influential into exile, and they have wandered among foreign nations.'

So we see again that being a surety or guarantor is a risky business. "A surety is one who who agrees to undertake for another who is lacking in ability to discharge his own obligations. Whatever undertaking the surety makes, whether in words or promise, or in the depositing of real security in the hands od the arbitrator, or by any other personal engagement of life or body, it implies the defect of the person for whom anyone becomes surety. The surety is a sponsor for another, standing in the room of, and acting for, one who may prove to be incompetent to act for himself: he represents that person and pledges to make good his engagements.
Thus, Christ was not a Surety for God, for He needed none; but for His own poor, failing and deficient people, who were unable to meet their obligations, incapable of discharging their liabilities. In view of this, Christ has agreed to undertake for them, fully pay all their debts, and has completely satisfied every demand which God had against them' (A.W. Pink).

Christ, as our Great High Priest, has settled every claim against His people, paying for every sin in full by the one, perfect offering of Himself.

Finally, just to mention that the ESV translates ἔγγυος as 'guarantor' rather than 'guarantee.' I believe that in the light of the quotations above, 'guarantor' is probably the more helpful translation.

 

Per the Roman legal system, yes! As he was advocating Jesus as lord over even Caesar!

 

Well I reckon you wasted your time. Hermeneutics 101 teaches that Scripture interprets Scripture.
Baptist 1689 Confession 1:9. 'The infallible rule for the interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself, and therefore whenever there is a question about the true and full sense of Scripture (which is not manifold but one), it must be searched out by other passages which speak more clearly.'

 

Where did the divine wrath of God towards and due to us as sinners go then?
We are now on part 3, and you have yet to answer that simple question!

 

We are discussing an individual word, so it is of the greatest importance to know what that individual word means. Certainly the context is very important, but if you decide, as you have done, on a less than accurate understanding of the word in question without even bothering to study it, you are simply using the context as a sort of wax nose and pressing it into the shape you want.

Hebrews 7:20-22. 'And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
"The LORD has sworn and will not relent, 'You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek'"), by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.'
As John Owen says, there may be a two-fold design in these words.
1. That His being made a priest by a divine oath made Him suitable to be the surety of a better covenant, or
2. That the covenant of which He is Surety must be better than the other because He who was its Surety was made a priest by an oath.
The one way proves the dignity of Christ from the new covenant; the other shows the greater dignity of the covenant from the priesthood of Christ. In fact, both are true: the priesthood gives dignity to the covenant, and the covenant sets forth the greater dignity of our Lord's priesthood.
The term 'a better covenant' reveals that there was another, older covenant, which may have been good in certain ways, but not as good as this better one. This 'first' or old covenant is contrasted with the new in Hebrews 8 with a meaty quotation from Jeremiah 31. Aaron was the typical surety of this covenant, for he offered sacrifices on behalf of the people, making atonement for them according to the terms of the covenant.
But the Aaronic priesthood offered sacrifices that could never truly take away sins (Hebrews 10:11) and the priests could not make continuous intercession for the people as they were taken away by death. Christ's priesthood brings about a better covenant in both respects:
1. He has offered the one perfect, acceptable sacrifice of Himself for sins to God (Hebrews 9:24-28). As Surety or Guarantor of the new covenant, He has done everything necessary to reconcile His people to God. He has lived the life of perfect, spotless obedience to God that they could not live; and He has paid in full the penalty for sins that we deserved to pay (Isaiah 53:4-6).
2. Having been vindicated by God in His resurrection, He now sits at the right hand of the Father, ever interceding for His people. And how does He do that? Does He say, "Oh, he's not such a bad chap! He loves his mother and he gives a few bob to charity'? Not at all. He has only to show the nail-scars on Hid hands and feet, and say, "You gave Me that one to redeem and I paid the price for Him in full' (eg. John 6:39; Revelation 5:9-10).

 

God wrath was upon all who were saved, and his wrath Had to be propitiated and atoned for, so who provided that to happen?

 

The passage does not define the word. You have made your own definition of it that fits in with your philosophy and imposed it on the text. I have given you an exposition of the two verses involved, and as usual, you have made no effort to engage with it.
The New Covenant is in Christ's blood (Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:23-25; Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 13:20-21). As Surety of the New Covenant, He has paid for our sins with His own blood (Acts of the Apostles 20:28; Hebrews 9:14, 24-28).

 

No. You defined the word to suit your philosophy and then misunderstood the whole passage as a result. Until you understand what ἔγγυος means you won't understand what a surety is and your exegesis of the passage will crash land.

 

No, rather he is taking it in the plain and literal sense, using the NT to flesh out what was already given to us in the Old Covenant concerning the suffering messiah and Servant of the Lord!

 

His view is to reject away the wrath of God, hence no need for the Psa view now!