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Featured There are three views of the Trinity.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Jul 15, 2022.

  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Are there really three distinct Persons who are the one Yahweh?
     
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    Per the bible, yes!
     
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    They are distinct, very much so.

    Person is the accepted word used.

    Is the word "being" any better than person? God told Moses He was "I am". That is the proclamation of being. Technically God is all there is. Creation is only sustained because of God. The Holy Spirit as existing in everyone, would "be" distinct yet in billions of instances. Is that billions of Holy Spirit, or one Holy Spirit? If God is defined as several different "omni", is that distinct or everything? Creation is singular, yet consists of individual distinct points of a very large finite number.

    Why is there a problem with God being a set of 3 distinct persons?
     
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    There isn't except by those who deny that Biblical truth.
     
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    No

    "Person" is the absolute worst ever.
    And the Bible doesn't even hint at "3 Persons"

    Ask anybody you want - what is a person?
    Nor asking what is 3 Persons, just tell me what ONE Person is. After you define Person, then I'll tell you if I think there are 3 of them.

    Guaranteed, if you get any answer, it's gonna be answers like "individual, distinct being"

    I'm telling the truth, you need to get them to commit to what ONE Person is before you entertain the idea of 3
     
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    Also, translations based on the CT say, "one and only" while translations based on the TR and MT usually say "only begotton" as far as I know.
     
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    Someone who can act, think, speak on their own, are individuals!
     
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    I wonder what you wise brothers make of Psalms 2:7.
    I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, "You are My Son, today I have begotten you."'
     
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    It is the prophecy of the bodily resurrection of the incarnate Son of God, per Acts of the Apostles 13:33.
     
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    The story of Jesus' baptism confirms that the Holy Trinity are 3 separate Personages. Jesus was physically there, of course, the Holy Spirit appeared in the form of a dove, and Yahweh's voice thundered from heaven, "This is My beloved Son...".
     
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    Because it was by His resurrection that His suffering was deemed complete and sufficient.

    His Sonship was a result of His maturity

    Rom 1:4
    4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead
     
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    With 3 individuals, I'd reject your understanding of Trinity.
     
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    Jesus was always God in human flesh, correct?
     
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    I'm not fond of 2 words you chose - was & always

    Jesus "IS" not "WAS"
    He said "before Abraham was, I AM"

    Not sure what you mean by always.
    That word may not fit well with Him, depending on what you're trying to say. God in human flesh before His incarnation? No. So it's not always.

    The Word of God has always been, but did not "become" Jesus until the incarnation
     
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    That is one of the three views. But I hold He was always the Son, per John 1:18. Also Proverbs 30:4.
     
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    He eternally existed as the Second person of the trinity!
     
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    So he just showed up one day and lied about Mary and Joseph?

    He was always the begotten Son, because he came through the proper channel of human birth as a begotten Son. That is how he is 100% human. He did not create a 30 year old human body, and call than "being human". Jesus was not a separate creation. Jesus was the begotten Son. After the Resurrection and ascension Jesus was eternally the begotten Son. Jesus was eternally the Word before conception. Jesus was the begotten human Son for around 33 years. Jesus never stopped being the Word. He just took on human flesh in the womb.
     
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    Where do you get that idea?!
    You can believe however you want. You are wrong on a number of issues. Which is not the topic of this thread. Start your own thread.
     
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    No argument here

    Says no scripture anywhere
     
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    Does the following verses hold any truth relative to the one who would be called the Son of the Most High and or the Son of the Highest who was named Jesus. Luke 1:31,32

    Is the following the absolute truth?
    Romans 6:9 YLT knowing that Christ, having been raised up out of the dead, doth no more die, death over him hath no more lordship;
    Acts 13:34 YLT 'And that He did raise him up out of the dead, no more to return to corruption, he hath said thus -- I will give to you the faithful kindnesses of David;

    Was Jesus dead, Gen 2:17 dying thou dost die, thou shall surely die, DEAD for three days and three nights?

    Alive subject to death and corruption, DEAD, raised out of the dead, death hath no more dominion over him, did not see corruption and no more to return to corruption?

    To my knowledge Jesus the Christ born of the virgin Mary and him alone, to date, has experienced this;
    because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit, 1 Peter 3:18 YLT

    Does the following describe the exact same action for Larry, Curly and Mo?
    and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you. Rom 8:11 YLT
    Does that take place in a moment in the twinkling of an eye? Does it take place when the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God?

    Does anyone believe God, sent his Son, μονογενῆ From μόνος (G3441) and γίνομαι (G1096) J 3:16 γενόμενον G1096? Gal 4:4 ἐκ γυναικός Out of woman? [ἐν αὐτῇ in her] γεννηθὲν begotten G1080, From a variation of γένος (G1085) From γίνομαι (G1096) Matt 1:20

    in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might -- through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest, Heb 1:2,3
     
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