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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jul 21, 2022.

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    Van Well-Known Member
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    LOL, this poster claims ransom for all means ransom for some. I kid you not...
    In the idiom contrasting the many with the one, the many refers to everyone except the one. Thus the claim that the many does not mean all is biblically illiterate.
     
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    Talk about being biblically illiterate! A person must be "in (within) Christ in order to not be cast out (of Christ). Duh

    How does a person get to be in (within) Christ's spiritual body. They are transferred in, Colossians 1:13, they are baptized in (Romans 6:3) they are put in (1 Corinthians 1:30) and so forth and so on.

    Since scripture says individuals are chosen through faith in the truth, no individual was chosen for salvation before creation. Since scripture says everyone chosen once was not a people, no individual was chosen before they existed (during their lifetime) as not a people.

    Was an individual's salvation "determined" before time began? Nope, as no one was chosen before they were once not a people who had not yet received mercy.

    Did God plan to redeem believers before time began? Yes, He chose Logos to be His lamb. Does this plan pick individuals, or is the choice made though faith in the truth? Faith in the truth.

    Here is the actual biblical sequence. God chooses an individual based on crediting their faith as righteousness and places (transfers, gives, baptizes) the individual spiritually into Christ's spiritual body. Once within Christ, they are made alive together with Christ, which is the washing of regeneration, where their body of sin is removed. Thus every born anew believer is justified, not by imputation but by the blood of the Lamb.
     
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    Here I read the assertion according to Van, which the Bible does not declare, but Van certainly interprets the Bible into saying this.

    Here is an outright ignoring of Ephesians 1 as Van interprets the Bible in a way that only he does

    Van adds faith as though it was a human asset that God reviews before He will choose someone. Again, this is a Van interpretation of the Bible that only Van holds to.

    This is the Van interpretation of sequence that Van certainly holds to and believes, but this is only because his interpretation is incorrect as He rejects how Faith is distributed by God to God's elect.

    It is certainly an interpretation, but it is certainly an interpretation that I personally find God dishonoring
     
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    How do you get that from what I said? You don't.
     
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    No, unlike you I just read in context. Why did Jesus say many instead of all? Hmm?
     
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    1) This post denies 2 Thessalonians 2:13 which "declares" God chooses individuals through faith in the truth. And God would not choose those whose faith He does not credit as righteousness.

    2) I do reject views precluded by scripture, such as God does not choose individuals through faith, but chooses them and gives them faith. That view nullifies James 2:5, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8 and every verse that says "through faith." See Romans 3:25 and so forth.
     
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    I just explained when we see Christ died for the many think all!!!!!! Since God desires all people to be saved, to claim Christ only provides redemption for some of them is ludicrous.
     
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    In case you did not know, many and all are not the same thing.
     
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    No verse says God desires to save all individuals. You read that in because of your false theology.
     
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    I think you need to read that verse again.
     
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    You reject views that preclude your false interpretation of Scripture.
     
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    Taint so post devoid of content.
     
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    This poster has deleted 1 Timothy 2:4 from his bible.
     
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    Everyone knows what it says and no amount of obfuscation will change one word of it. Just read it folks.
     
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    No, but perhaps you have removed 1 Timothy 2:1-3 from your Bible?

    *1 Timothy 2:1-6*

    First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
     
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    Is this post on topic, or is it an unnecessary post changing the subject to me.
     
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    This supports my view!!!
     
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    I know you think so, yet you are wrong...and the verses reveal you to be wrong.

    In previous threads I have gone through this passage and pointed out what Paul is saying. You simply reject the context of the passage and force your interpretation and pretext onto the passage which means you use poor hermeneutics.
     
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    You think all and many have the same definition?
     
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