Silverhair
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No,you have stepped into it and now you are trying to avoid what you said. Man up and admit that your theology does not work.
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Only Those Whom the Father Draws to Christ
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No,you have stepped into it and now you are trying to avoid what you said. Man up and admit that your theology does not work.
Brightfame52
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You dont teach what the bible says.
Brightfame52
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Like I said, you cant understand a simple analogy.
Silverhair
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I agree that those that will not accept the gospel and would rather stay in their sin do not accept or understand the things of the spirit. But you are reading to much into these verses.
You are hanging your hat on the idea that since it says natural man does not receive that equates to can not receive. But and this what you fail to grasp or rather refuse to grasp is that man can hear and believe and even confess their faith in Christ Jesus.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
You and I would say most Calvinists are more than willing to jump on any verse that you think supports your view but regularly dismiss the verses shown above.
Silverhair
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Even when I quote the bible you say I do not teach the bible. You must have a different bible than the rest of us have, a special Calvinist version.
Brightfame52
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You have to be regenerated to believe the Gospel.
Brightfame52
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You can quote a scripture but you don't believe it and even teach contrary to it.
Actually you just said a self defeating argument and the refused to listen to reason. But you keep making that embarrassing argument.
Sorry but God's inspired word says they were dead, not "quickened" (Falselogy code for regenerated).Yes, they hear, after being quickened to spiritual life.
Ephesians 2:5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Ezekiel 16:6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
The issue is not that when God places individuals into Christ's spiritual body, they are made alive by the washing of regeneration, that is a given.
And Ezekiel 16 has nothing to do with the topic, the "you" in the text refers to a personification of Israel.
Yet another false assertion, he just makes it up and posts it, violating all sorts of BB rules, but he posts with impunity.
Why out and out slander is allowed is mindboggling.
We discussed this in another thread but guess what, you are still set on changing the subject from the fact the Greek word translated draw when used metaphorically means to win over using God's lovingkindness.
KenH
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Just as a physical body deprived of physical life is physically dead, a soul deprived of spiritual life is spiritually dead.
KenH
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You just now figured that out? To say we have different views of Soteriology is an understatement.
Silverhair
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You continue to speak out of both sides of your mouth.
What did you say? "Just why do you think that God used the term "dead" if he didn't mean dead as human beings understand the word from their time on this earth?"
So if the person is dead as human beings understand the word from their time on this earth then you can not say they sin can you. And you are saying it is an analogy of dead spiritually, in other words, can not trust in God, your argument fails.
Why you ask? Because, and this is point you keep trying to avoid, if they were spiritually dead there is nothing in the bible that says they can not turn to Christ but there are a number of verse that say they can and it is even expected.
KenH
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John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. (emphasis mine)
Silverhair
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You need to read your bible. You are regenerated/ saved/ born again after you hear and believe the gospel. You are teaching a false gospel.
KenH
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1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (emphasis mine)
Silverhair
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When i quote 1Ti_2:6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, You Calvinists say no He was only a ransom for the elect. And you say I don't believe the bible, really!
Your whole theology seems to be built on miss using the scriptures. And teaching contrary to the clear text.
Silverhair
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Whereas a physically dead body will stay dead a spiritually dead body does not have to. They can respond to creation, conviction the gospel and turn to God. That is why God says man has no excuse.
Under your theology man has an excuse, God did not regenerate them so they could believe. That is just one of the reasons why your theology is wrong.
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