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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Aug 31, 2022.

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  1. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    Only in the context of Paul's OTHER writings that say the faith itself is a gift and not of the person. Otherwise, faith most certainly is a work.
     
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    On the contrary, you have failed to show why your view is anywhere close to legitimate.
     
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    The fact that 37818's view is biblical whereas yours is not shows that his view is legitimate.
     
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    No, it is not dealing with service. Jacob and Esau are dealing with Jacob and Esau. If you look at the rest of Scripture that talks about Esau, it is clear that hating Esau means exactly that. Look at Malachi 1, look at Jeremiah 49, look at Hebrews 12. It's clear, you just don't want to believe it.
     
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    That's the problem, his view is not biblical.
     
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    Really? You know no such thing. You have an interpretion which must supersede what Scripture simply says. Set what I believe against the Scripture you think I disagree with.
     
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    You are giving your interpretation.
    The lack of the garment was the problem. And the one without said garment was one the many. That is what it was in that parable. Matthew 22:14 is the concluding teaching.
     
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    No, I'm actually reading Scripture for what it says and not trying to change the meanings of words.
     
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    You know nothing of the sort.
    You do not understand what I believe. Or why.
     
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    So you don't believe the junk you have posted in this thread?
     
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    My view is being denied. But not shown the view not to be true. God's singular choosing is behind the believers election [plural]. Related but not the same thing.
     
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    So translation supersedes the underlying Greek.
     
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    I believe what I wrote. You are the one calling it junk here. I think it is fair to say we think, we believe to be what the Scripture means.
     
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    Notice @Brightfame52 has this much correct.

     
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    We can look back on the past couple threads on this topic. Your view of election and choosing is unorthodox and lacking any scholarly credibility.
     
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    The fact that the man tried to get in but the King never gave him a garment is the key. "Not all are chosen." You can't "accept" Jesus and expect to be at the wedding. God must choose you as a guest at the wedding feast. He must give you the garment.
     
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    Look at the text it is not about salvation it is about the line of Christ.
     
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    Well maybe not according to the bible you have but to the real bible it is.
     
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    You know on such thing.
     
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    Wrong there Austin. The man did not avail himself of the garment that is why the King asked him why he did not have one. Read the text, not into the text.
     
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